[rfc-i] RFC citations committee I-D issued
johnl at taugh.com (John Levine) Fri, 11 February 2011 23:33 UTC
From: "johnl at taugh.com"
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 23:33:53 -0000
Subject: [rfc-i] RFC citations committee I-D issued
In-Reply-To: <4D558CD0.5000605@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110211233353.72950.qmail@joyce.lan>
>I just looked at RFC 1380... an interesting example. Some of the >references are very interesting historically. How can I find them? The same way you chase down any other kind of reference. The point of a good reference is not just to provide a string that you can mechanically type into a box in some piece of software and have the document pop out. That would be nice, but except in very limited cases, it's not realistic. The point is to provide enough clues that readers who know how to use a library can find the document. There are references to books that I wrote 20 years ago and are not available online (at least, not legally), but people can find them anyway, using various clues like title, author, publisher, date, and ISBN. For the refs in RFC 1380, I tried to find some of the ones that were not other RFCs, and I have to say it wasn't very hard. I did a Google search for the title or maybe the title and author, and it rarely took more than a few seconds to find a copy. Titles and authors are a good search key, particularly when the titles are long and full of jargon. With this in mind, the filenames of Internet drafts are actually rather good stable identifiers. For example, one of the references in RFC 1380 is a document called "A Proposal for IP Address Encapsulation (IPAE): A Compatible version of IP with Large Addresses." It was pretty easy to find using the title, but if the reference had used its file name draft-crocker-ip-encaps-00, I could have found it even faster. This tells me that it would be a good idea for the IETF to bow to reality and admit that I-Ds are around forever. It would be nice to give them stable URLss, but what's much more important is to be sure we never break the extremely effective naming system we've accidentally invented, since that's the most effective way to find them. Regards, John Levine, johnl at iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. http://jl.ly
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