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On 10/27/23 9:21 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:
> 
> Independent Submissions Editor (Eliot Lear) <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
>      > draft-mcquistin-augmented-ascii-diagrams has been submitted for consideration
>      > as an independent submission.  I would like to know if this community has
>      > comments about this draft.  Would you find it of value?  Does it pose any
>      > concerns?  Is it well written?
> 
> It is of value!!
> 
> I think that it's wrong to do this as an independant submission.

+1
This subject needs the broader discussion that comes from a WG.
Of special note, the principles in section 4 need debate.

Personally I find the "structured English" problematic. That is part of 
the needed discussion.

	Thanks,
	Paul

> I think that it belongs in the RSWG :-)
> (Or maybe in the IETF stream in GEN Area somewhere)
> If we are going to do this, then we need to do it with some authority.
> 
> Aren't there ways/tools to create the diagrams from text descriptions?
> (Like the mermaid diagrams)
> 
> Decades ago I worked on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-nossik-pax-pdl/
> and I think that we actually wrote some code to generate the packet diagrams.
> I remember that we argued about many minutia about how do display certain things.
> 
> The document itself I found wandered a bit, and I thought I'd get more of a
> criticism of the variations and why they are a problem, and why their format
> is better.  Instead it seemed to deep dive into very specifics that I was not
> quite ready for.
> 
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