Routing over Demand Circuits
Gerry Meyer <gerry@spider.co.uk> Thu, 12 August 1993 09:19 UTC
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From: Gerry Meyer <gerry@spider.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1993 10:11:06 +0100
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Subject: Routing over Demand Circuits
The issue we are trying to resolve is - what is the most appropriate method to operate on demand circuits with RIP protocol variants (IP, Novell, Apple etc): (a) an appropriate unreliable service (UDP-IP, IPX etc) which is what we currently use and is proposed in the Internet Draft. (b) over a single reliable transport (TCP, encapsulating Novell RIP etc), (c) the 'appropriate' reliable transport (TCP for IP, NCP or SPX for Novell etc). In my original mailing I ruled out (c) immediately as requiring transports not otherwise required in a multi-protocol router. In the text which follows below I explain reasons why case (b) - encapsulating routing information for all protocols in TCP - would be a poor choice. I conclude that the proposal in my Internet Draft - to use an unreliable datagram service (UDP, IPX etc) - is the correct one for handling multi-protocol RIP variants. Comments (preferably favourable) on my conclusion? Gerry ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Input to my Conclusion ---------------------- 1. Path Constraint ------------------ In its current state of development, Presumption of Reachability REQUIRES that advertisement of routing information AND the routes being advertised MUST follow NOT ONLY the same path, BUT utilise the SAME Virtual Circuit(s). This means that advertising of one protocol through another (ie encapsulation in TCP) will not work in cases where each protocol has its own VC (eg RFC 1356 when protocols are not multiplexed, but each have their own VC). 2. End-to-End Reliability ------------------------- Each routing application must be able to guarantee that messages can be sent to and received from its peer application in the remote router. TCP in itself does NOT achieve this. Each routing application needs to know that its peer routing application is functioning. Additional mechanisms must be used to achieve this. 3. Stale Information -------------------- If there are temporary problems with obtaining VCs, a number of routing updates may be queued for transmission by TCP: 1) Eventually Stale information will be propagated and there may be further delay(s) before the up-to-date information is sent (eg. if there is contention for the VC resource). In some topologies these glitches could have fairly undesirable consequences. 2) Memory will be gobbled up in queued updates. In my view these two factors completely rule out the use of TCP for RIP-like applications. 4. Effort to implement a solution --------------------------------- At the Amsterdam meeting there was a PERCEPTION that the UDP-like solution required more support to be added into the routing applications than might be the case for an encapsulated TCP solution. However because TCP does not guarantee peer-to-peer reliability for EACH routing application the perception turns out to be FALSE. Appendix - TCP Stack -------------------- The following is a pseudo-TCP stack (as suggested by someone at the meeting - but it could possibly be compacted a bit): -------- --------- --------- |IP-RIP| |IPX-RIP| |IPX-SAP| -------- --------- --------- | | | -------- | | | UDP | | | -------- | | | | | ------------------------------ -------- -------------------- |Stack(s) for other protocols| | IP | | IPX | |with RIP-based routing | -------- -------------------- ------------------------------ | | | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | TCP-call manager, packetiser and de-multiplexer module | ----------------------------------------------------------------- | ------- | TCP | ------- | ------- | IP | ------- Parts of the 'stack' appearing above the TCP-call manager (UDP/IP etc) carry some of the information and preserve packet format (but don't otherwise functionally operate like a real protocol stack). An Ethernet type would be used for multiplexing information from the different protocols.
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