Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or disallowed ?
Luigi Iannone <luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be> Sun, 09 March 2008 19:04 UTC
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Cc: tony.li@tony.li, 'William Herrin' <bill@herrin.us>, 'Routing Research Group' <rrg@psg.com>
From: Luigi Iannone <luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be>
Subject: Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or disallowed ?
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 20:04:00 +0100
To: Dow Street <dow.street@linquest.com>
Le 06-mars-08 à 00:03, Dow Street a écrit : > On Mar 5, 2008, at 11:10 AM, Tony Li wrote: > >> |> Yes, but there's a very big difference between you driving your >> car >> |> the way >> |> that you want and the way that hop-by-hop forwarding works. >> | >> |What if the driver could (optionally) select from a set of back >> roads >> |that is limited to those published by the network provider? If the >> |driver doesn't want to and/or cannot do this additional navigation >> |work, he could follow the nudge of the underlying hop-by-hop >> mechanism. >> | >> |In other words, maybe we can build a basic reachability service of >> |global scope, and layer on top of that a more advanced service that >> |provides enhanced functionality, but where the costs are localized. >> >> >> That would be a fine thing, but the user has only two ways to >> express his >> desires: one is by injecting routing information, which >> necessarily can be >> overridden. The only other way is by doing a setup protocol. > > In the model I'm thinking about, the network (i.e. provider) would > publish a set of path options (e.g. a map, list of potential > waypoints, set of deflection bits, etc) for the host to consider. > The host could then choose from among these options, with the > expectation that its choice will be honored by the network in the > general case. Otherwise, the network should change the set of > options it is publishing. The provider retains control by setting > the bounds of the allowable routing policy. You should ge a look to: https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-bonaventure-informed-path- selection/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/draft-saucez-idips/ they both talk about a way for ISP to suggest path to ned-host. Luigi > > The publication of path information from network to host might be > considered a setup protocol, but I'm thinking it would be strictly > optional. The host could still send "regular" packets without > indicating a specific path preference, and get whatever service the > network gives them. > > >> Some folks have proposed a hybrid architecture in the past that >> allowed >> both, but it (rightfully) went over like a lead balloon. > > Does the model described fit your definition of a hybrid architecture? > > R, > Dow > > -- > to unsubscribe send a message to rrg-request@psg.com with the > word 'unsubscribe' in a single line as the message text body. > archive: <http://psg.com/lists/rrg/> & ftp://psg.com/pub/lists/rrg Luigi Iannone luigi.iannone@uclouvain.be
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- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Randall Atkinson
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Brian E Carpenter
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- re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Xu Xiaohu
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Randall Atkinson
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Simon Schuetz
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Randall Atkinson
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… David Meyer
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Xu Xiaohu
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Robin Whittle
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Tony Li
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Jari Arkko
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Scott Brim
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Tony Li
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Tony Li
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… philip.eardley
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Dow Street
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Tony Li
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Dow Street
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Tony Li
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Scott Brim
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Tony Li
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Dow Street
- RE: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Noel Chiappa
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Brian Dickson
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Iljitsch van Beijnum
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Bengt Ahlgren
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Dow Street
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Scott Brim
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Bengt Ahlgren
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… William Herrin
- Re: [RRG] Are host-stack modifications allowed or… Luigi Iannone