Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyperbolic mapping
Sampo Syreeni <decoy@iki.fi> Fri, 10 September 2010 23:29 UTC
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Subject: Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyperbolic mapping
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On 2010-09-09, Dmitri Krioukov wrote: > marshall, thanks for posting it here. i also thinks it's relevant :) Thanks from me too, and it's certainly relevant. Still, it might not be as good an idea as it sells itself as. Geometric routing ideas have been around for quite a while now. They certainly do this sort of thing within manets right now, because of the spatial nature of a cloud of terminals/sensors. So in certain ways the idea works well indeed. I'd be the first to say that geometric routing is a swell and elegant idea. Yet, it tends to have some inherent problems in the wired setting where a) the topology and the geometry of the network isn't as static as a cloud of 3D sensors would see, b) where we have to have static contact points like DNS fully available at more or less fixed destination addresses all of the time, to map from points of interest to topological/geometrical addresses/locations, c) any static mapping like the one proposed in the paper could *severely* undercut routing efficiency as soon as someboby built a new undersea cable, which of course severely changes the routing landscape in one fell swoop, and d) when we then probably would go with an adaptive routing protocol, there is a serious problem with asymmetric paths. That final problem doesn't plague just Euclidean distance measures, but all of the metric ones as well, including the hyperbolic. As regards an adaptive geometric routing protocol, IRTF's ALTO group has charted this stuff quite extensively already in the context of routing within overlay networks. I suggest everybody look into that body if they haven't already, if interested in geometric routing. In my opinion, this particular article is a nice touch onto how best parametrize network distance. Based on the article and the references, a hyperbolic space might well provide us with a better parametrization of distance in a scale-free network within the geometric routing paradigm. But it won't solve the more fundamental problems which have stopped us from adopting geometric routing in the past. I'd say this body of work is a building block for further research, more than the showstopper it'd like us to see itself as. -- Sampo Syreeni, aka decoy - decoy@iki.fi, http://decoy.iki.fi/front +358-50-5756111, 025E D175 ABE5 027C 9494 EEB0 E090 8BA9 0509 85C2
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… HeinerHummel
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov
- [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyperboli… Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Sampo Syreeni
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Tony Li
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Sampo Syreeni
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Mikael Abrahamsson
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Sampo Syreeni
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… JinHyeock Choi
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Robin Whittle
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Heath Jones
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Robin Whittle
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Sampo Syreeni
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Sampo Syreeni
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Robin Whittle
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dino Farinacci
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… HeinerHummel
- Re: [rrg] Fwd: Sustaining the Internet with hyper… Dmitri Krioukov