Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs
Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de> Mon, 06 November 2023 22:44 UTC
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From: Toerless Eckert <tte@cs.fau.de>
To: Alexis Rossi <rsce@rfc-editor.org>
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Subject: Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs
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On Mon, Nov 06, 2023 at 11:08:20PM +0100, Alexis Rossi wrote: > Yes, that’s the goal - artwork is not normative. I would still like people with visual impairments to be able to read the entire RFC though if they choose. The most easy example to the opposite of course are any tables to create IANA registries. Which of course are also the type of craphics that i'd expect any screen reader to actually make easily sense of. It gets more complicated when you go to the ASCII art with which we specify the most important normative aspects of protocols: protocol headers. E.g.: start with IP (rfc791) and any on-the-wire protocol header RFC from there on. There are graphics that describe how architecture elements are related to each other. I'd call those normative. There are graphics core to understanding protocols, the oldest i remember for example is rfc2328 (ospf), which really is very nicely using graphics to explain and specify the protocol. Topologies, state-tables, You can argue how much normative those are, but remember: normative alone does not suffice. You need all the information sufficient to understand how to build an interoperable implementation. aka: there is a humunguous amount of normative graphics we have and/or graphics required to be understood to build interoperable implementations. Not all of them actually are "nice" by todays standards, aka: for something like our protocol header graphics it would be lovely if we had a formal language to specify those protocol headers and then the graphics would just be one rendering that we could create. But we just never had enough of pain to invest efforts to get that done. But in summary: Yes, a lot of graphics in RFCs are normative. Cheers toerless
- [Rswg] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Michael Richardson
- [Rswg] External vs. internal references (Re: [rfc… Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rswg] Report: Accessibility of RFCs John Levine
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs John Levine
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Alexis Rossi
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Julian Reschke
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Michael Richardson
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Nico Williams
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Martin Thomson
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Toerless Eckert
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs John Levine
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs Carsten Bormann
- Re: [Rswg] [rfc-i] Report: Accessibility of RFCs John R Levine