Re: [rtcweb] Data transfer

Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> Mon, 19 September 2011 07:28 UTC

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On 09/19/2011 06:36 AM, Timothy B. Terriberry wrote:
>> There are many other uses of peer-to-peer data, such as file-transfer
>> during
>> chat(you want reliable or you get to re-invent a reliable protocol over
>> UDP),
>
> Perhaps this should be added as a use-case? It has strong implications 
> for the congestion control algorithm, as discussed at the interim 
> telecon: you can have an arbitrarily large amount of data to send as 
> fast as your pipe can carry it, and that has to compete with the media 
> traffic.
Last round, PseudoTCP over UDP (or UDP/DTLS) seemed to be the favourite 
protocol for reliable data delivery.