Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded (UNCLASSIFIED)
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From: "Roy, Radhika R CIV USARMY (US)" <radhika.r.roy.civ@mail.mil>
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Subject: Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Inline [RRR] -----Original Message----- From: rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtcweb-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mo Zanaty (mzanaty) Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2013 7:29 PM To: Leon Geyser; Thomas Davies (thdavies); Adrian Grange; Cullen Jennings (fluffy); Harald Alvestrand (harald@alvestrand.no) Cc: rtcweb@ietf.org Subject: Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Realtime/low latency and constrained bitrate are obviously important for the actual implementation used. Thomas was pointing out that these factors have nothing to do with the codec technology itself, since they are purely encoder implementation optimizations. There is nothing in the VP8 or H.264 standard that uniquely provides realtime/low latency or constrained bitrate. Those are attributes of encoder implementations which are not part of the standard. [RRR] Yes, it is dependent on the codec technology how the encoding and decoding technology conceals the BER and hence affect the video quality. The MOS subjective or objective coding performances video quality is also dependent on the end-to-end latency for two-way or multipoint conversation vs. one-way video streaming. [RRR] The key is to capture all the parameters of video coding experimental test environments under certain circumstances starting from back-to-back codec to across the wide area network including wireline and wrieless. Let us speak on these specific test environments including applications and the corresponding video quality (subjective and/or objective). [RRR] Before generalization of the video performances from the specific test results, let us understand what test results we have got for that specific test environments. Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
- [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Adrian Grange
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Luca De Cicco
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Luca De Cicco
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Thomas Davies
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Matthew Kaufman
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Adam Roach
- [rtcweb] Fundamental asymmetry [was Re: New VP8 v… Marc Petit-Huguenin
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Leon Geyser
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded (UNC… Roy, Radhika R CIV USARMY (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded (UNC… Thomas Davies (thdavies)
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded (UNC… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Sergio Garcia Murillo
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded (UNC… Roy, Radhika R CIV USARMY (US)
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Kieran Kunhya
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Mo Zanaty (mzanaty)
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Kieran Kunhya
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Randell Jesup
- Re: [rtcweb] New VP8 vs H.264 tests uploaded Leon Geyser