Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt
Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org> Wed, 22 May 2013 17:59 UTC
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From: Jeffrey Haas <jhaas@pfrc.org>
To: Gregory Mirsky <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>
Subject: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt
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On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 07:04:42PM +0000, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > GIM>> You're concerned with LAG interoperability, not interoperability of micro-BFD as fully addressed without Section 3. Integration of micro-BFD and LACP is implementation issue. Interoperability or lack of thereof is result of particular implementation desicions. > Sure, we could have everyone sort it out themselves that the two allowed ways to influence the LAG Operation of micro-BFD sessions with LAGs with LACP present is a task we are required to resolve. IEEE will have some nasty words for us if that is not the case. > (A) BFD influences the per-port MAC operational flag We had previously decided to not do this since it put us a bit too deep into state machines in other mechanisms. Working in this space also gathered the most concern from IEEE. As you'd point out, the mac operational flag was also their recommended mechanism to avoid meddling with LACP directly. > (B) BFD influences the load-balance algorithm This was our chosen path forward. One point that pushed the authors in this direction were a multitude of implementation specific issues wherein taking the link out of service (a above) rather than simply updating the forwarding behavior made things difficult. Rather than walk the line of the protocol purists to cover a, b permitted the greatest opportunity for interoperability. > Regarding the language: which aspects do you think are not acceptable to define a new standard and need to be changed? > > GIM>> No MUST or SHOULD in Section 3. The authors have some new text in that section in review and will be desiring comments on it. -- Jeff
- I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt internet-drafts
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Jeffrey Haas
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Henderickx, Wim (Wim)
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Jeff Tantsura
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Jeffrey Haas
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Bhatia, Manav (Manav)
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Gregory Mirsky
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Marc Binderberger
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Gregory Mirsky
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Jeffrey Haas
- Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Marc Binderberger
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Marc Binderberger
- RE: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-00.txt Gregory Mirsky