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Re: [DMM] BGP-based DMM for civil aviation

Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> Tue, 08 January 2019 15:45 UTC

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Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2019 09:45:13 -0600
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Subject: Re: [DMM] BGP-based DMM for civil aviation
To: ek@loon.co
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Hi Erik,

Happy New Year to all!

Unrelated to your question below, I noticed an error in one of the pages of
loon.co:

https://loon.co/technology/

I think that commercial airplanes fly a bit above 10 km or mostly around
10km orbit while the above page shows way below 10km.

Regards,
Behcet

On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 4:26 PM Erik Kline <ek@loon.co> wrote:

> Fred,
>
> Happy New Year.
>
> I'm not currently tracking rtgwg, so perhaps this is already addressed in
> discussion of there.  (And perhaps I should move dmm@ to bcc...)
>
> How does a MNP-bearing node (client) locate candidate s-ASBRs (similarly
> how does it locate a proxy)? And does the client try to form an eBGP
> session with the s-ASBR or use something else?
>
> I was also not clear on where administrative boundaries are in the various
> diagrams (though I assumed at least that c-ASBRs are within the MSP-owners
> administrative domain).
>
> Thanks,
> -Erik
>
> On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 at 12:37, Templin (US), Fred L <
> Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello, and Happy New Year,
>>
>> We have articulated what is essentially a Distributed Mobility Management
>> (DMM)
>> service for the next-generation civil aviation Aeronautical
>> Telecommunications
>> Network with Internet Protocol Services (ATN/IPS):
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-rtgwg-atn-bgp/
>>
>> This work tracks the progress of the International Civil Aviation
>> Organization
>> (ICAO), and is a working group item of the IETF RTGWG.
>>
>> The way it works is that there is a hub-and-spokes BGP overlay routing
>> service
>> that interconnects potentially many mobility anchor points. Each anchor
>> point is
>> responsible for mobility management for a constituent set of mobile nodes
>> (e.g., aircraft), such that the system as a whole supports large-scale
>> DMM.
>>
>> We think this document is in the correct home in RTGWG, but I just thought
>> I would start out the year by sensitizing the DMM community. Any thoughts
>> or comments are welcome.
>>
>> Thanks - Fred
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