Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00

Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> Wed, 26 August 2015 06:41 UTC

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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 08:40:31 +0200
From: Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Subject: Re: [netmod] questions about draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00
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On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 10:53:55PM -0400, Lou Berger wrote:

> > Hopefully, a decision to change all existing models (including vendor
> > models!) will be based on something more technical than the fact that
> > a group of people "really like it" some other way.
> 
> I'm equally unsure that having an argument of "I got there first" is a
> compelling argument given the number of folks (including vendors) who
> have stated willingness (or even support) for change.  I think having a
> major class of users stand up and say this is important should garner
> some notice.

Please keep in mind that we are talking about several published
proposed standards that have been implemented and deployed. I think
there must be convincing technical reasons to declare them broken and
to redo them.

/js

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