Re: [saag] AD sponsoring draft-josefsson-scrypt-kdf

Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> Fri, 14 August 2015 05:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] AD sponsoring draft-josefsson-scrypt-kdf
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Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@MIT.EDU> writes:

> On Thu, 13 Aug 2015, Simon Josefsson wrote:
>
>> NTLM was discussed on this list recently, and it is a proprietary
>> algorithm and I'm not aware of any suitable reference for it.
>
> It has been a while since I was needing to refer to it from a document,
> but I thought that https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc236621.aspx
> was pretty canonical.

Thanks -- that appears similar to a cr.yp.to link, maybe somewhat worse
since it doesn't mention an author and the content appears to change
frequently and I can't find links to a stable version of the document.
I'll use it and let Stephen and/or the RFC editor figure out how to
handle this.  I agree with ianG that the world has changed here, and it
should be fine to use URLs like this when there isn't any better
alternative available.

https://gitlab.com/jas/ietf-scrypt/commit/306d3e8a6d67d9118c6907a5544baa79ccf76f1d#diff-1

/Simon