Re: [saag] Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP/2.0 and HTTP Authentication

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Tue, 15 May 2012 16:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [saag] Reminder: Call for Proposals - HTTP/2.0 and HTTP Authentication
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:16 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure that a pointer to draft-williams-rest-gss-00 (or any other expired draft in this area) is all the httpbis WG needs; they don't need an up-to-date draft.

Good point.  But working on the classification document is making me
think of possible enhancements to my proposal anyways :)

> Having said that, I bet that they would very much like to see a classification / analysis document to help them!

Right.  Assuming they get lots of proposals it will be necessary to
figure out how to analyze them.  Even if they get no proposals it'd be
useful to have such a document to guide any design team.

Personally I continue to believe that there will not be a single
authentication mechanism that satisfies all users' needs, so I will
continue to argue for pluggable frameworks.  However, I'm less
interested in this than I am in the analysis at this point.

As for the dearth of proposals...  I suspect part of it is not knowing
what HTTP 2.0 will look like, and part of it is weariness: web auth
has been a resisting solutions for many years now.  Perhaps no one
really expects HTTPbis WG to be able to crack that nut?

Nico
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