Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices
Mohit Sethi <mohit.m.sethi@ericsson.com> Sun, 16 October 2016 15:02 UTC
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Subject: Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices
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Dear all I find this draft useful for what it is: a summary of the discussions from the software update workshop. I have two minor comments. I hope they can be addressed in the future versions: 1. For me scheduling of updates is important: I don't want my connected light bulb to update at night when I am using it. Although software updates should be as automated as possible, complete automation can lead to havoc. Continuing on the light example, I may want to only update the light bulbs in one room and see the consequences before updating the light bulbs in my entire house. How to encourage/force users to perform critical updates is still an important concern. The draft does touch upon this but never states this explicitly as a requirement. I am hoping that this can be addressed somewhere in the draft? 2. The draft provides a lot of useful examples. For example, I found it useful to read the story about Little Printer and how its code was released as open source. I am hoping that the draft could try to document more examples. There are other open source projects that have been picked up by the community such openwrt and cyanogenmod. Similarly, while the eyefi example is useful, perhaps it would nice to document the case of Revolv smart hub which is no longer supported. I don't think documenting all the examples out there is necessary, but providing many references and examples would definitely help. Thanks /--Mohit On 10/07/2016 03:47 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Hiya, > > I hope this is of interest to some folks here. If so, please > join the iotsu@iab.org list and/or discuss here. > > Do folks think this'd be a good topic on which to spend some > time at the saag session at IETF97? > > Cheers, > S. > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: [Iotsu] Initial version of the IoTSU workshop report submitted > Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2016 19:44:03 +0000 > From: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> > To: iotsu@iab.org <iotsu@iab.org> > > Hi all, > > I have just submitted the initial version of the report: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrell-iotsu-workshop-00 > > We tried to capture the received comments as best as we could but I am > sure there is room for improvement. > Feedback is welcome! > > Ciao > Hannes > > IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended > recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the > contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy > the information in any medium. Thank you. > > > > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag
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- Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices Stephen Farrell
- Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices Peter Gutmann
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- Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices Peter Gutmann
- Re: [saag] software update for teeny-weeny devices Mohit Sethi
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