Re: [SCITT] Terminology Review

Steve Lasker <Steve.Lasker@microsoft.com> Wed, 12 October 2022 21:37 UTC

Return-Path: <Steve.Lasker@microsoft.com>
X-Original-To: scitt@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: scitt@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2964EC14CE38 for <scitt@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 14:37:53 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -7.567
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AC_DIV_BONANZA=0.001, BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.571, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTTPS_HTTP_MISMATCH=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_REMOTE_IMAGE=0.01, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_DBL_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001, URIBL_ZEN_BLOCKED_OPENDNS=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=microsoft.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([50.223.129.194]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pa-7_xX7Q0As for <scitt@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 14:37:48 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from na01-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-eastusazlp170110004.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f403:c100::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85168C14CE37 for <scitt@ietf.org>; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=nSwnTI978JpLHbqB7TVIxAiHn4qvp615kcMiCOfkYK/TrfVqiWh7zuHTIk4SHZQMH6EBCIb+OvGzHEQH6XkzO2ZZ+2Sof7g69EnifTqwxw+fQ4M2jK7cwxC7Hbp8le3nXvKKqyqWDiPwF/4liimKFSR4s4xncnDzeOwfRn3sjtNsHhcatm0IQdkqAvJoUkGlkSZI1S4OwFXU4Qk83JkyG5OEzHT8RSAhp9MFsIOdfc37qRTkyv5a9aCbK5ZFLu+hrVwBy8YD/4lt6q/ZeQIihREPiRQdgDlgK7UM6z2pdSwkQbFFLPVnZrtstl5ZjYzRF5Kt9cd2oLVhibwp3g07nA==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-ChunkCount:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-0:X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData-1; bh=27JLIGX4kp1d9n6bQlCp7oSpA3LF+Ijjz8GhqI8PaZg=; b=AbC86I5b0bKtZslR6TWiunSWGB/47Mvzr216pgT4C+FL3EJcm4s/V+3gpjzcF2tAb+LXl/CPR+lAoJojKv56zKyFWZJ/YLKCCfnF9Mt/heEe6/MmVbyC1LcxlZ0pL6os2FGmqZOgBOU7KIDIpTEwrgJbPUHOdZrYtLDBvgY0VMYKwxYHm63Qn7+33cIjUb5uoV+Y4rnrhXU6uBksRfNlYd1MlZxJgRYQhh/X0IaoL18c9OVxi7w1wB5QfdKzm0+6fNlQZsxJxDkcCGb2H1z3bj+FGSytD1+Nv1D9CZHbd0gY2nN2MHKctPZD9TFBFoAqBx+YhlpNSQos1nMyfiSuzQ==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=microsoft.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=microsoft.com; dkim=pass header.d=microsoft.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=selector2; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=27JLIGX4kp1d9n6bQlCp7oSpA3LF+Ijjz8GhqI8PaZg=; b=izR+QCE7mh5n0S6d3j1rYxspECbi0FInZX/DULbaChxpFPGaRmxSJ2TgbJeoI3HHGTWi8KkChnEVe+ljjMU+5p8hFU94cATRkXlBFbHGejqD/C3RgT21m6lvP0/1Sa14MN3rygOJgpaZCevR933N1SyMWGCz8Zw+ROVtBPqE22s=
Received: from DS7PR21MB3341.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:8:80::16) by MW4PR21MB2074.namprd21.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:303:121::12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.5746.6; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:37:37 +0000
Received: from DS7PR21MB3341.namprd21.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::17a7:31dc:7f58:bba]) by DS7PR21MB3341.namprd21.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::17a7:31dc:7f58:bba%5]) with mapi id 15.20.5723.008; Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:37:37 +0000
From: Steve Lasker <Steve.Lasker@microsoft.com>
To: Orie Steele <orie@transmute.industries>, scitt <scitt@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [SCITT] Terminology Review
Thread-Index: AQHY13R6l1mWUPS5AUGq49wswFQGj64LVEqg
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:37:37 +0000
Message-ID: <DS7PR21MB3341F33C0D42DB516D8B8E499C229@DS7PR21MB3341.namprd21.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAN8C-_LJrhdpZPYUM=nPjJSH79qoG38ws2BEDFMts5PcfC8-FQ@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAN8C-_LJrhdpZPYUM=nPjJSH79qoG38ws2BEDFMts5PcfC8-FQ@mail.gmail.com>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach:
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator:
msip_labels: MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_ActionId=1afaa11b-b510-473a-a08a-68db0bb54b92; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_ContentBits=0; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_Method=Standard; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_Name=Internal; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_SetDate=2022-10-12T21:28:41Z; MSIP_Label_f42aa342-8706-4288-bd11-ebb85995028c_SiteId=72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47;
authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=microsoft.com;
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: DS7PR21MB3341:EE_|MW4PR21MB2074:EE_
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 7bf23b87-a37f-4939-5c82-08daac99fb89
x-ld-processed: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47,ExtAddr
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:DS7PR21MB3341.namprd21.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(13230022)(4636009)(366004)(136003)(346002)(396003)(376002)(39860400002)(451199015)(1690799008)(53546011)(8990500004)(71200400001)(5930299009)(26005)(966005)(66476007)(10290500003)(66946007)(8676002)(66556008)(55016003)(5660300002)(64756008)(9686003)(66446008)(478600001)(52536014)(76116006)(86362001)(8936002)(38100700002)(316002)(2906002)(186003)(110136005)(41300700001)(6506007)(33656002)(122000001)(38070700005)(82950400001)(82960400001)(7696005)(166002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102;
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-chunkcount: 1
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata-0: 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
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_DS7PR21MB3341F33C0D42DB516D8B8E499C229DS7PR21MB3341namp_"
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: DS7PR21MB3341.namprd21.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 7bf23b87-a37f-4939-5c82-08daac99fb89
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 12 Oct 2022 21:37:37.6246 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 1rGCYQGXmDIK9TGz7lvpSU84Gbo63SEkvQlMFgA6Jk9JsykV4u4lUB5NFdLsJBmTmkrWLkICsLHHVrtqgUFQXA==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MW4PR21MB2074
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/scitt/4qH4J03a6e_E-XJwCxSpm4s2Dts>
Subject: Re: [SCITT] Terminology Review
X-BeenThere: scitt@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.39
Precedence: list
List-Id: "Supply Chain Integrity, Transparency, and Trust" <scitt.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/scitt>, <mailto:scitt-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/scitt/>
List-Post: <mailto:scitt@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:scitt-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/scitt>, <mailto:scitt-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 21:37:53 -0000

Thanks Orie for sending this. Reading through the Architecture, I found a few terms that seemed to duplicate each other. There are other acronyms that added some confusion as I kept reading TS as Time Stamp, rather than transparency service.


  *   Language mapping and terms. #24<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture/issues/24>
  *   Replace TS with SCITT? #28<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture/issues/28>
  *   Definitions & Terms: Change Statement to Evidence #29<https://github.com/ietf-scitt/draft-birkholz-scitt-architecture/issues/29>

It would be nice to get more concise, and KISS it.

From: SCITT <scitt-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Orie Steele
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 3:06 PM
To: scitt <scitt@ietf.org>
Subject: [SCITT] Terminology Review

I've been meaning to do a review of the terminology space.

My hope was to be able to easily identify the gaps between NIST / IETF / TCG / W3C.

RATs seems to be leading the way (doing most of the heavy lifting for IETF).

One part I found interesting was the "assertion" vs "claim" vs "attestation" overlap.

https://vocabulary.transmute.industries/ns/attestation/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvocabulary.transmute.industries%2Fns%2Fattestation%2F&data=05%7C01%7CSteve.Lasker%40microsoft.com%7C87027b753ec045856b8008daa58b737e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638004316274558906%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=mpLG1gBFRxJVpcZ4y%2Fb4L36jg71K8HzuCLL%2FqPGz%2Frs%3D&reserved=0>
https://vocabulary.transmute.industries/ns/assertion/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvocabulary.transmute.industries%2Fns%2Fassertion%2F&data=05%7C01%7CSteve.Lasker%40microsoft.com%7C87027b753ec045856b8008daa58b737e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638004316274558906%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=4wVoJdFeBqhMhnbexFWqyBcQtAwYDHIwk4ZunIv3Muo%3D&reserved=0>
https://vocabulary.transmute.industries/ns/claim/<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fvocabulary.transmute.industries%2Fns%2Fclaim%2F&data=05%7C01%7CSteve.Lasker%40microsoft.com%7C87027b753ec045856b8008daa58b737e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638004316274558906%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=kXofZp5NQhXaBfP08bU42JFIxqUnkcyOeV90t0IG1jI%3D&reserved=0>

It's also interesting how relatively untouched "endorsements" are.

Regards,

OS
--
ORIE STEELE
Chief Technical Officer
www.transmute.industries<http://www.transmute.industries>

[https://drive.google.com/a/transmute.industries/uc?id=1hbftCJoB5KdeV_kzj4eeyS28V3zS9d9c&export=download]<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.transmute.industries%2F&data=05%7C01%7CSteve.Lasker%40microsoft.com%7C87027b753ec045856b8008daa58b737e%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638004316274558906%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=1mDIYIdt6Ed1iuAKhdFDjkIxkoeDaPCI4eCInwP234k%3D&reserved=0>