[SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning
Nicholas Templeman <nicholas@csoai.org> Tue, 22 September 2026 03:44 UTC
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Nicole, Henk, all, Support for Henk's second item, the re-chartering discussion on relation semantics between statements, and one implementation data point for it. I am not asking for a slot of my own, and our interoperability work belongs in the hackathon unless it raises a decision for the group. The data point bears on how a relation by digest is stated. Working the CCF 2.2 data-hash axis for the joint interop report, we minted one signed statement and re-encoded it 64 ways using six CBOR encoding freedoms. All 64 carried one identical Sig_structure and one valid signature, produced 64 distinct data-hash values, and none was rejected by a stock decoder; 31 were silently repaired on read. The prior art that closes the class is draft-mih-sokolov-scitt-payload-binding-02, section 4.4, which Anton Sokolov wrote before the measurement. For the re-chartering question the consequence is narrow: a statement that says it references another statement by digest has to say which bytes the digest is over, or two verifiers can hold the same relation and disagree about whether it resolves. Mikhail's audit-coverage case is one we meet from the other side. Our withdrawal records share the subject of the statements they withdraw and fall outside any set an earlier audit statement covered, and a generic verifier has no way to see that from the headers today. So the decision I would want from the discussion is the same as Konrad's: whether references of that kind, content-type agnostic and readable without interpreting the payload, are in the proposed scope. Two declarations so that nothing above is over-read. Council of AI is not a Transparency Service and mints no Receipts, and both digests in that measurement were recomputed from the published bytes rather than read off the implementation that produced them. Nicholas Templeman Council of AI (csoai.org)
- [SCITT] SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Nicole Bates
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Dick Brooks
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Anton Sokolov
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Joel Hillier
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning nicholas
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Henri Sirkkavaara
- [SCITT] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127… Nicole Bates
- [SCITT] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127… e.dogru
- [SCITT] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127… Henri Sirkkavaara
- [SCITT] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127… Walter Hawkins
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning John Andersen
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Jon Geater
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Nicholas Templeman
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Dick Brooks
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Nicholas Templeman
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Walter Hawkins
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Henri Sirkkavaara
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Henri Sirkkavaara
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Henk Birkholz
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Dick Brooks
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Mikhail Sergeev
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Konrad Gruszka
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Tiago Pinto
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Henri Sirkkavaara
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning e.dogru
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning e.dogru
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Joel Hillier
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Iman Schrock
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Michael Msebenzi
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Nicholas Templeman
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Jon Geater
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Tiago Pinto
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Konrad Gruszka
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Jon Geater
- [SCITT] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127… Nicole Bates
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Konrad Gruszka
- [SCITT] Re: SCITT WG: IETF 127 Agenda Planning Dick Brooks