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Muhammad Usama Sardar <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> Thu, 15 January 2026 22:17 UTC

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Draft is not set in stone. It's just a starting point and would keep 
evolving. I and Pavel have put together our current understanding. Folks 
can agree or disagree and present their arguments or opinions, and we 
will take their arguments and opinions in account for next versions. TBH 
I feel like you are unnecessarily pushing back on all my ideas, no 
matter what.

On 15.01.26 22:07, Paul Wouters wrote:
> It is very clear.
Well, not to me. I just requested clarification. English is -- of course 
-- neither my first nor second language. In any case, I don't see why 
asking for clarification is such a big problem.
> Drafts are not substitutes for email list discussions.
Sure, but I believe drafts are good starting points for discussion.
> If you find people
> are not responsive to your requests for discussion, consider why that 
> may be instead
> of switching to a draft format to try and get a discussion going.
It's not been even 24 hours since the submission of draft. Folks 
probably need some more time to absorb it, and then share their 
insights, opinions, thoughts, ideas or questions.
> I would like you to focus on promoting your own favourite idea
That is happening in parallel.
> You are spending way too much energy on proving your dislike of other 
> ideas.
It's not dislike. It's based on formal proofs, which have been vetted by 
experts, and have been shared with the IETF/IRTF community for further 
independent analysis.
> Better yet, we should also as a WG be working on our use cases,
Work on use cases is going on in parallel.
> Until we have the use cases, we can't even talk about wether
> intra or post handshake methods solve our needs or not.
We have 5 use cases [0] and one in flight [1].
> You are drowning out other people and it is not helping the WG proceed.

I don't really see why an attempt to sync the WG is seen as "drowning" 
other people.

-Usama


[0] 
https://tls-attestation.github.io/use-cases-and-properties/draft-mihalcea-seat-use-cases.html

[1] https://github.com/tls-attestation/use-cases-and-properties/pull/22

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