Re: [secdir] [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008
Thomas Hardjono <thardjono@yahoo.com> Wed, 01 October 2008 15:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [secdir] [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008
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Pasi, Tim, Apologies for asking, but I was wondering about the proposed Content Rights Management (ie. DRM) BOF. More specifically, I was wondering if the IETF is now open to discussing such a "DRM standard". Back in 2001, Mark Baugher and myself went through two (2) BOFs proposing the creation of an IETF open standards for a DRM protocol. If my memory serves me right the presiding ADs was Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley. The specific protocol was called PERM, and the slides can be found here: http://hardjono.net/idrm/ At that time the outcry against this effort was deafening. I was arguing that it was better for the IETF to own such a protocol and made it it "open" (ie. not proprietary and no need to sign consortium legal paperwork). Since that time there has been a plethora of DRM related products and standards (eg. Apple, MSFT RM, OMA-download, CableLabs, 5C, etc, etc). In a sense, the IETF missed the boat on this one. Not that I'm unsupportive, but I was wondering what is motivating the IETF to propose such a BOF again at this time :) Thanks. Regards. /thomas/ --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> wrote: > From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com <Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com> > Subject: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 > To: saag@ietf.org, secdir@mit.edu > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 3:21 AM > Hi all, > > Here's again a short status update about what things > are going on > from my point-of-view. If you notice anything that > doesn't look > right, let me know -- miscommunication and mix-ups do > happen. > > Best regards, > Pasi > > MISC NOTES > > - There have been two security-related BoF requests for > IETF73: > OAuth (in the applications area), and Content Rights > Management > (in the security area). For the latter, Tim and I have > recommended > having a bar BoF first. > - SecDir mailing list is in the process of being moved from > mit.edu > to ietf.org servers. > - I've spent some time this month on tools development > and IESG > process improvements -- nothing is ready yet, but > hopefully soon.. > > WORKING GROUPS > > DKIM > - draft-ietf-dkim-ssp: in Publication Requested, waiting > for > me to read it. > - Waiting for WG to send list of RFC errata IDs the WG > agrees on. > > EMU > - draft-ietf-emu-gpsk: in AD Evaluation -- waiting for > revised > ID that reflects the new WG consensus on MAC length/key > size > issue before going to IETF last call (since 2008-08-25) > - A liaison statement reply was sent to ITU-T SG 17 > regarding X.1034, > "Guidelines on EAP-based authentication and key > management in a > data communication network". > - IESG appointed Joe Salowey as the designated expert for > IANA > allocation of EAP Type Codes > - (not WG item) draft-arkko-eap-aka-kdf ís now in IETF > Last Call > > IPSECME > - Lots of emails that I need to read (but haven't done > so yet) > - (not wearing AD hat) I sent my "things that need to > be looked at" > list about IKEv2bis to the mailing list; I need to check > that > they got entered in the issue tracker, too. > > ISMS > - It seems the discussion has largely converged; I'm > waiting for > revised IDs to read and review. > > KEYPROV > - I sent more comments regarding PSKC; I need to read the > replies > and participate in discussion. > - I need to review and comment DSKPP, too. > > SASL > - I replied to Frank Ellermann's appeal about WG > chairs' handling > of draft-ietf-sasl-crammd5. > - Waiting for charter update text from the chairs (>6 > months) > > SYSLOG > - draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls: a revised version > addressing > Chris Newman's DISCUSS should be posted in a couple > of days. > - draft-ietf-syslog-sign: there has been a bunch of replies > to my > AD evaluation comments that I need to read and process, > but I > haven't done so yet. > > TLS > - (not WG item) draft-rescorla-tls-suiteb is now in IETF > Last Call. > - (not WG item) draft-hajjeh-tls-identity-protection: IESG > reviewed > this independent submission to the RFC Editor, and > recommended > not publishing it. > > OTHER DOCUMENTS > > - draft-ietf-capwap-*: I've been working with Pat and > others, > and I think we're done (except that agreed text needs > to be > edited in, and some editorial nits fixed). > - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpssm: no news; waiting for Joerg to > explore > "feedback debug" messages. > - draft-santesson-digestbind: I read this and sent comments > to > Stefan. > - PKCS #1/RFC 3447 update: waiting for James Randall to > post an > update including the various errata. > - draft-mattsson-srtp-store-and-forward: I've promised > to read > this and send comments, but haven't done so yet. > - draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework: > I've promised > to read this once there's a new version. > - "Security roadmap for routing protocols": > I've promised to read > and comment this once Gregory sends something. > > DISCUSSES (active -- something happened within last month) > > - draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211: text > agreed, > waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since > 2008-09-26] > - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent: waiting for authors to > submit > a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] > - draft-ietf-mip6-whyauthdataoption: waiting for authors to > submit > a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] > - draft-ietf-mipshop-mstp-solution: the authors have > replied to > my comments; I need to read the replies [since > 2008-09-26] > - draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gss-v2: waiting for authors to > reply to my comments [since 2008-09-25] > - draft-ietf-sieve-refuse-reject: waiting for authors to > reply > to my comments [since 2008-09-11] > - draft-ietf-sipping-race-examples: waiting for document > shepherd > or Jon to comment the "Updates" issue [since > 2008-09-26] > - draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon: the changes in version -10 were > sent > to 6MAN WG for review; I'll clear once this has > happened > [expected to happen on 2008-10-01] > - draft-mraihi-inch-thraud: version -07 addressed almost > all of > my comments; waiting for authors to send RFC Editor Note > text > fixing the IANA issue, too [since 2008-09-02] > > DISCUSSES (stalled -- I haven't heard anything from the > authors > or document shepherd for over one month) > > - draft-cain-post-inch-phishingextns: waiting for authors > to reply > to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] > - draft-cam-winget-eap-fast-provisioning: waiting for > authors to > reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since > 2008-08-28] > - draft-hautakorpi-sipping-uri-list-handling-refused: text > agreed, > waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since > 2008-07-03] > - draft-ietf-enum-experiences: talked briefly with Jon > Peterson > in Dublin -- waiting to hear more from the authors and/or > Jon > [since 2008-07-31] > - draft-ietf-pce-pcep: new version -15 addressed some > comments from > other ADs; some discussions about my comments has > occured; > waiting for proposed text or revised ID [since > 2008-06-16] > - draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-atm-mib: waiting for authors to reply > to > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-07-02] > - draft-zhou-emu-fast-gtc: changes probably agreed, waiting > for authors > to submit a revised ID to see exact text [since > 2008-08-28] > > DISCUSSES (presumed dead -- I haven't heard anything > from the authors > or document shepherd for over three months) > > - draft-ietf-bfd-base: waiting for authors to reply to my > comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > - draft-ietf-bfd-multihop: waiting for authors to reply to > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > - draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop: waiting for authors to reply to > > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > - draft-ietf-shim6-proto: waiting for Erik to propose > something > to solve IPsec interaction issue [since 2008-06-18] > - draft-ietf-simple-imdn: waiting for authors to reply to > my > comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-05-14] > - draft-ietf-sipping-sbc-funcs: new version (-06) addressed > all comments except one; text agreed for the remaining > one, > waiting for RFC editor note or revised ID [since > 2008-06-17] > - draft-ietf-tsvwg-emergency-rsvp: this document has large > number of discusses/abstains; waiting for Magnus to > figure > out next steps [since 2008-06-03] > > --end-- > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag _______________________________________________ secdir mailing list secdir@mit.edu https://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/secdir _______________________________________________ secdir mailing list secdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir
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- Re: [secdir] [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September… Thomas Hardjono