Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-ecnsyn-08.txt

Sally Floyd <sallyfloyd@mac.com> Mon, 20 April 2009 16:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-tcpm-ecnsyn-08.txt
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Hilarie -

On Apr 20, 2009, at 7:57 AM, Hilarie Orman wrote:
> draft-ietf-tcpm-ecnsyn-08.txt
>
> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
> IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
> security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
> these comments just like any other last call comments.
>
> This is an interesting and well-written document, I enjoyed reading
> it.  It is about an optional, experimental modification to RFC 3168 to
> allow TCP SYN/ACK packets to be ECN-Capable.  The TCP initiator can
> use this information to reduce its initial congestion window.  In
> simulation, there is a compelling argument that this helps to improve
> response time during heavy congestion..
>
> The draft argues that the mechanism introduces no security problems,
> using arguments that bound any potential problems by known existing
> behaviors.  I have no reason to believe that the analysis is wrong.   
> My
> only caveat is that the combined state machine for TCP and ECN seems
> complicated, I don't know that all cases are really covered by the
> draft authors.  Perhaps someone could do that if this draft ever moves
> toward standard.

Many thanks for the review.  I will look at the combined state machine
in the final review of the draft.

- Sally
http://www.icir.org/floyd/