Re: [secdir] [OAUTH-WG] ** OAuth Tutorial & OAuth Security Session **

"Richard L. Barnes" <rbarnes@bbn.com> Wed, 10 November 2010 06:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [secdir] [OAUTH-WG] ** OAuth Tutorial & OAuth Security Session **
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Of course not every scenario calls for all of the security knobs to be 
turned to 11.  Think of things instead in terms of syllogisms: "IF you 
want X guarantee, THEN you MUST do A, B, C."

Then you can also read the same things backwards in a given deployment 
scenario: "Given that I can't do B, I can't get assurances X, Y, but I 
can get Z (if I do D, F as well)".

I promise to produce something more concrete soon :)  In the meantime, 
this text illustrates what I mean pretty well:
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-barnes-oauth-model-01#section-5>

--Richard


On 11/10/10 2:03 PM, Anthony Nadalin wrote:
> Issue here is that guarantees (and what you want as a guarantee may not be what somebody else wants) can vary depending on scenario and deployment.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard L. Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 12:54 AM
> To: torsten@lodderstedt.net
> Cc: Anthony Nadalin; Tschofenig, Hannes; abfab@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; secdir@ietf.org; websec@ietf.org; xmpp@ietf.org; kitten@ietf.org; iab@iab.org Board; iesg@ietf.org; oauth@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [secdir] [OAUTH-WG] ** OAuth Tutorial&  OAuth Security Session **
>
> I would say that the security considerations should be based on a model of OAuth.  Start with a model of the protocol and the guarantees you want, then explain how to use security mechanisms to achieve those guarantees.
>
> I promised Hannes today to do a review of the current document (which I admit I haven't read) and start on some security considerations from that perspective.  So expect that in the next few weeks.
>
> --Richard
>
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>
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> On 11/9/10 4:07 PM, torsten@lodderstedt.net wrote:
>> We think the security considerations should be based on a threat model of OAuth. But a complete threat model would blow up the spec.
>>
>> We therefore aim to produce a separate security document (informational I-D/RFC) covering threat model as well as security design and considerations. The security considerations section of the core spec can then be distilled from this document.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Torsten.
>> Gesendet mit BlackBerry(r) Webmail von Telekom Deutschland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Anthony Nadalin<tonynad@microsoft.com>;
>> Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 01:54:57
>> To: Torsten Lodderstedt<torsten@lodderstedt.net>;; Hannes
>> Tschofenig<hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>;
>> Cc: abfab@ietf.org<abfab@ietf.org>; rai@ietf.org<rai@ietf.org>;
>> ietf@ietf.org<ietf@ietf.org>; secdir@ietf.org<secdir@ietf.org>;
>> websec@ietf.org<websec@ietf.org>; xmpp@ietf.org<xmpp@ietf.org>;
>> kitten@ietf.org<kitten@ietf.org>; iab@iab.org Board<iab@iab.org>;;
>> iesg@ietf.org<iesg@ietf.org>; oauth@ietf.org<oauth@ietf.org>
>> Subject: RE: [OAUTH-WG] ** OAuth Tutorial&   OAuth Security Session **
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>> I was looking for less of an analysis and more of considerations (of the current flows and actors), I'm not sure how to adapt what you have done to actually fit in the current specification, was your thought that you would produce a separate security analysis document?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oauth-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Torsten Lodderstedt
>> Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 3:04 PM
>> To: Hannes Tschofenig
>> Cc: abfab@ietf.org; rai@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org; secdir@ietf.org;
>> websec@ietf.org; xmpp@ietf.org; kitten@ietf.org; iab@iab.org Board;
>> iesg@ietf.org; oauth@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] ** OAuth Tutorial&   OAuth Security Session **
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Mark McGloin and me have been working on OAuth 2.0 security considerations for a couple of weeks now. Since we both cannot attend the IETF-79 meetings, we would like to provide the WG with information regarding the current status of our work. I therefore uploaded a_preliminary_ version of our working document to the WG's wiki at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/oauth/trac/attachment/wiki/SecurityConsiderations/oauth20_seccons_20101107.pdf.
>> The focus of this version was on consolidating previous work as well as results of mailing list discussions and start working towards a rigorous threat model.
>>
>> Please give us feedback.
>>
>> regards,
>> Torsten.
>>
>> Am 07.11.2010 03:22, schrieb Hannes Tschofenig:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> please consider attending the following two meetings!
>>>
>>> ** OAuth Security Session **
>>>
>>> 	* Date: Monday, 13:00-15:00
>>> 	* Location: IAB breakout room (Jade 2)
>>> 	* Contact: Hannes Tschofenig hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net The security
>>> consideration section of OAuth 2.0 (draft -10) is still empty. Hence, we would like to put some time aside to discuss what security threats, requirements, and countermeasures need to be described. We will use the Monday, November 8, 1300-1500 slot to have a  discussion session.
>>>
>>> As a starting point I suggest to look at the following documents:
>>>
>>> 	* http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/oauth/trac/wiki/SecurityConsiderations
>>> 	* http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/oauth/trac/wiki/SignaturesWhy
>>> 	*
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-tschofenig-oauth-signature-thoughts-00.
>>> txt
>>>
>>> Note: If you are unfamiliar with OAuth then the OAuth tutorial session might be more suitable for you!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ** OAuth Tutorial **
>>>
>>> 	* Date: Wednesday, 19:30 (after the plenary)
>>> 	* Location: IAB breakout room (Jade 2)
>>> 	* Contact: Hannes Tschofenig hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net OAuth allows
>>> a user to grant a third-party Web site or application access to their
>>> resources, without necessarily revealing their credentials, or even
>>> their identity. The OAuth working group, see
>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/oauth/charter/, is currently trying to
>>> finalize their main specification, namely OAuth v2:
>>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-oauth-v2/
>>>
>>> Based on the positive response at the last IETF meeting (in
>>> Maastricht) we decided to hold another OAuth tutorial, namely on
>>> *Wednesday, starting at 19:30 (after the IETF Operations and
>>> Administration Plenary) till about 21:00. (Note: I had to switch the
>>> day because of the social event!)
>>>
>>> It is helpful to read through the documents available int he working group but not required.
>>>
>>> Up-to-date information can be found here:
>>> http://www.ietf.org/registration/MeetingWiki/wiki/79bofs
>>>
>>> Ciao
>>> Hannes
>>>
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