Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-11
Shawn Emery <shawn.emery@gmail.com> Fri, 18 December 2020 06:35 UTC
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From: Shawn Emery <shawn.emery@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2020 23:35:39 -0700
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To: "Frank Brockners (fbrockne)" <fbrockne@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-11
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Hi Frank, Thanks for your response. I've read draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-02 and still have concerns that mitigating against eavesdropping, DoS/DDoS, and time synchronization attacks, have not been sufficiently covered specifically regarding the data tuple vector. Regards, Shawn. -- On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 4:25 AM Frank Brockners (fbrockne) < fbrockne@cisco.com> wrote: > > > *Hi Shawn,* > > > > *Thanks a lot for your review. Please see inline (..FB)* > > > > *From:* Shawn Emery <shawn.emery@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Sonntag, 6. Dezember 2020 23:31 > *To:* secdir <secdir@ietf.org> > *Cc:* draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data.all@ietf.org; last-call@ietf.org; Shawn > Emery <semery@uccs.edu> > *Subject:* Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-11 > > > > Reviewer: Shawn M. Emery > Review result: Ready with nits > > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. > These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security > area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these > comments just like any other last call comments. > > This standards track draft specifies data fields in the In-situ > Operations, Administration, > > and Maintenance (IOAM) scheme. The data fields contain operational and > telemetry > > information in a network domain. "In-situ" refers to the fact that the > associated data is > > actually encapsulated in the data packet itself rather than through a > separate OAM > > packet. > > > The security considerations section does exist and describes multiple > vulnerabilities > > to the IOAM. Attackers can create both false-positives and > false-negatives in regards > > to failures or the true state of the domain. This can eventually lead to > DoS attacks. > > Another form of DoS is by crafting an IOAM header to packets thereby > increasing the > > resources required or exceeding the packet beyond the network's MTU size. > > > > Verifying the path of the data packets is deferred to > draft-ietf-sfc-proof-of-transit's security > > consideration section which has good coverage and ways to mitigate the > various attacks > > on the protocol. Eavesdropping is also possible, which can reveal > operational and telemetry > > data of the network domain. > > > > IOAM also utilizes timestamps, in which an attack on the time > synchronization protocol can > > affect the timestamp fields in IOAM. In addition the management > functionality of IOAM could > > also be targeted, but suggests authentication and integrity checks to > protect against said attacks. > > > > Various measures against these attacks are not prescribed based on the > fact that this specification > > is about the data fields of IOAM. However, I think it would be beneficial > to provide some guidance > > (at least for future specifications) for each of these attacks > that utilize these data fields else why > > articulate the security issues at all? > > *..FB: “…some guidance for each of the attacks…” very much hints at > deployment considerations for IOAM. For that, we have an “IOAM Deployment” > draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-02 > <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-brockners-opsawg-ioam-deployment-02> in > flight. The current thought model is cover all aspects of IOAM deployment, > including guidance on mitigating security concerns, in this deployment > draft. Would that be a workable approach for you?* > > > > *Thanks, Frank* > > > General comments: > > None. > > > Editorial comments: > > > > None. > > > > Shawn. > -- >
- [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-11 Shawn Emery
- Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-… Frank Brockners (fbrockne)
- Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-… Shawn Emery
- Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-… Frank Brockners (fbrockne)
- Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-… Shawn Emery
- Re: [secdir] Review of draft-ietf-ippm-ioam-data-… Frank Brockners (fbrockne)