Re: [Secdispatch] [lamps] IDevID considerations document to secdispatch

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Thu, 23 July 2020 17:33 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Secdispatch] [lamps] IDevID considerations document to secdispatch
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Brockhaus, Hendrik <hendrik.brockhaus@siemens.com> wrote:
    > I use the image of the "birth certificate" to better explain the attributes of an IDevID certificate.
    > - Issued at manufacturing time (in Germany the birth certificate is a
    > simple sheet stamped and signed by the local register office)

    > - The enrollment process requires some organizational/physical
    > security, as there is nothing to derive trust from at that point in
    > time (in Germany the father or mother have to request the birth
    > certificate personally. They need to define the name of the child in
    > front of the register officer and need present a conformation letter
    > from the hospital or midwife about the date of birth)

In Canada, I think the birth certificate is signed by doctor or midwife.

    > - It lasts as long as the device is used (in Germany a birth
    > certificate has no validity and it is difficult to get a new one, if
    > you lost yours)

Thus IDevID never expire.

    > - It is required for initial authentication to request an operational
    > certificate (in Germany the birth certificate is required if you
    > request a national ID card or a passport)

    > - It should not be used for day-to-day operational tasks (you would not
    > use the birth certificate to identify yourself other than to the
    > register office. Only rarely it is requested, e.g., when becoming a
    > governmental or public official)

But, you don't use your IDevID for day-to-day activities.
One needs an onboarding protocol to talk to an organizational CA to get the LDevID.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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