Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Well Known Bad Anti-spam Idea - paid network
"John Levine" <johnl@taugh.com> Thu, 03 December 2015 19:13 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Shutup] [ietf-smtp] Well Known Bad Anti-spam Idea - paid network
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>On 12/3/2015 5:44 AM, Jacob Palme wrote: >> I think that the only workable method of getting rid of spam is to charge the sender of messages a price of perhaps 0.10 >$/recipient for sending messages. >There are many approaches to solving spam that will work quite >effectively, if only they were able to work at all. > >Your view is one of many that is oft-repeated, very appealing, and >entirely unworkable in the current real-world. > >As such proposals always warrant, please carefully review Cory >Doctorow's famous checklist: > > http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt For more details, see this white paper I wrote. It's ten years old but nothing of importance has changed other than that you might add the occasional extra zero to orders of magnitude. http://www.taugh.com/epostage.pdf R's, John