Re: [sidr] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-threats-06.txt> (Threat Model for BGP Path Security) to Informational RFC

"Russ White" <russw@riw.us> Thu, 19 September 2013 22:28 UTC

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Subject: Re: [sidr] Last Call: <draft-ietf-sidr-bgpsec-threats-06.txt> (Threat Model for BGP Path Security) to Informational RFC
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> I read this draft and tried to participate in shaping into something I as
an
> operator believe useful in SIDR WG, but to no avail -- IMO because the
> protocol work, and then the requirements work, were largely completed
> already.  I believe this approach will cause more harm than good and
result in
> more instability than security, and it leaves some considerable holes with
> which I am actually concerned about related to inter-domain routing
security
> (and autonomy) on the Internet.   As such, myself and some other operators
> published this document, which has since been accepted and evolved as a
> WG document within the Global Routing Operations WG (GROW):
> 
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-grow-simple-leak-attack-bgpsec-no-
> help-02
> 
> I've given up on SIDR, I wish them well..

+1

Russ