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[Sidrops] Re: NRO RPKI Program presentation - Follow up on Randy's comment/question

Sofia Silva Berenguer <sofia@apnic.net> Tue, 30 July 2024 23:31 UTC

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From: Sofia Silva Berenguer <sofia@apnic.net>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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Thanks Randy!

There are some great ideas on expanding RPKI-related measurements there that people working in that space may want to consider 😊

Warm regards,
Sofía
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From: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
Date: Thursday, 25 July 2024 at 4:01 AM
To: Sofia Silva Berenguer <sofia@apnic.net>
Cc: SIDR Operations WG <sidrops@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: NRO RPKI Program presentation - Follow up on Randy's comment/question
sofia,

> After some quick conversations after the session today and further
> thought, I believe Randy's point was that I referred to "RPKI
> adoption" without clarifying whether I was referring to the aspect of
> ROA creation or to Route Origin Validation. @Randy Bush please correct
> me if I'm wrong.

speaking as a measurement guy.  in a sense, there are two significant
ecosystems of ROV deployment: ROA registrations and ROV in routers.

while we talk about x% of adderess space has ROAs, we have weak measure
of what part of the address space is registered.  and i do not mean what
part of the number space (cf. heat maps), but what part of the user
space?  govts?  energy?  educational?  you get the point.  this might
give us (think regulators etc.) an idea of what is protected and what is
not.  and the RPKI marketing department could then focus on the have
nots. :)

similarly for ROV in routers, we have done some measurements, but they
tend to be topologic, occasionally geographic.  but again, not socio-
economic, cultural, ...

in addition, there is RPKI omphaloskepsis, measurement of the ecosystem
of the RPKI itself, the CA/PP topology.  who are running CAs in the
socio-economic sense?  where are they publishing?  blah blah blah.

randy

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