Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-prefixlist
"Dale W. Carder" <dwcarder@es.net> Fri, 06 October 2023 14:11 UTC
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Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2023 09:10:57 -0500
From: "Dale W. Carder" <dwcarder@es.net>
To: Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghetti-sidrops-rpki-prefixlist
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Thus spake Randy Bush (randy@psg.com) on Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 04:23:37PM -0700: > > I support adoption of this draft. I think this is a useful facility to > > aide routing configuration. ROAs denote what address holders intend, > > this would denote what AS holders agree is possible. > > i forget who said it at 117, but this was the decision back in the > design before all this entered the sausage machine. > > the AS holder asserts their agreement in BGP. This was exactly the position I started from when I first read the draft... like isn't there an implicit agreement in BGP typically backed up by currency changing hands? Then I consider why have I invested so much in automation / RPSL tooling and have routers with 300-500k lines of config? Because that "agreement" isn't strong enough to stop misconfigurations that are easily preventable if we can describe the intended state out of band. Today that's largely the IRR + peeringDB ecosystem, but we can do better. I support adoption of this draft. Dale
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti-sid… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Claudio Jeker
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Geoff Huston
- [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghetti-si… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Job Snijders
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Ties de Kock
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Dale W. Carder
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Tom Harrison
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Randy Bush
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-spaghett… Randy Bush
- [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-sidro… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Tim Bruijnzeels
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Russ Housley
- [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-sidro… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Borchert, Oliver (Fed)
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… George Michaelson
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Carlos Martinez-Cagnazzo
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… 邹慧
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Yangyang Wang
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… Russ Housley
- Re: [Sidrops] Call for adoption of draft-timbru-s… YAN Zhiwei
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Geoff Huston
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Christopher Morrow
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… gengnan
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… Dale W. Carder
- Re: [Sidrops] request to consider draft-spaghetti… gengnan