Re: sms notification
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>> >>> serj wrote: >>> >>>> does somebody use sms notification in sieve? >>> Fastmail.fm offers an SMS option that's triggered via non-standard SIEVE, IIRC: http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30843&highlight=SMS Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBQKWB9Z059161; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:32:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBQKWBNV059159; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:32:11 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBQKW6Gi059057 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:32:10 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matthew@elvey.com) Received: from frontend3.messagingengine.com (frontend3.internal [10.202.2.152]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F13C4772B; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:32:03 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: MjdM5lfqFeWI+uNdNns3sA 1104093117 Received: from [192.168.2.85] (adsl-67-112-24-148.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [67.112.24.148]) by frontend3.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B6A2553F; Sun, 26 Dec 2004 15:31:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41CF1FC1.3000905@elvey.com> Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2004 12:32:01 -0800 From: Matthew Elvey <matthew@elvey.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0RC1 (Windows/20041201) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: serj <serjshaklein@mail.ru>, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sms notification References: <41CC4891.5060909@mail.ru> <41CD678D.3070902@isode.com> <41CD67ED.9000901@mail.ru> <41CDB5E5.2020307@att.com> In-Reply-To: <41CDB5E5.2020307@att.com> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> >> >>> serj wrote: >>> >>>> does somebody use sms notification in sieve? >>> Fastmail.fm offers an SMS option that's triggered via non-standard SIEVE, IIRC: http://www.emailaddresses.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30843&highlight=SMS Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBPImVCX017150; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:48:31 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBPImG3C016370; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:48:16 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kcmso2.proxy.att.com (kcmso2.att.com [192.128.134.71]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBPImCXg016037 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 10:48:13 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tony@att.com) Received: from maillennium.att.com ([135.25.114.99]) by kcmso2.proxy.att.com (AT&T IPNS/MSO-5.5) with ESMTP id iBPImBuo007111 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 12:48:11 -0600 Received: from [135.70.59.127] (unknown[135.70.59.127](misconfigured sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20041225184801gw1000mt38e> (Authid: tony); Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:48:01 +0000 Message-ID: <41CDB5E5.2020307@att.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:48:05 -0500 From: Tony Hansen <tony@att.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: serj <serjshaklein@mail.ru> CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sms notification References: <41CC4891.5060909@mail.ru> <41CD678D.3070902@isode.com> <41CD67ED.9000901@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <41CD67ED.9000901@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Whose sieve sources? Remember, this mailing list is about the sieve protocol and its extensions. Individual implementations may or may not implement any or all of the extensions. Given that this particular draft was never published as an RFC, it's not surprising you didn't find an implementation of it in the sources you happened to look at. Tony serj wrote: > > yes, i saw it. > but i didnt find sms notification methods even in sieve sources > > Alexey Melnikov wrote: > >> serj wrote: >> >>> does somebody use sms notification in sieve? >> >> I think some implementations of the Notify Sieve extension >> (http://www.oceana.com/ftp/drafts/draft-martin-sieve-notify-01.txt) >> use SMS. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBPDFvtn004405; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:15:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBPDFvBP004404; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:15:57 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx2.mail.ru (mx2.mail.ru [194.67.23.122]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBPDFtFq004378 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:15:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from serjshaklein@mail.ru) Received: from [193.111.17.24] (port=60082 helo=[192.168.56.8]) by mx2.mail.ru with esmtp id 1CiBm0-000C4u-00; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:15:56 +0300 Message-ID: <41CD67ED.9000901@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 15:15:25 +0200 From: serj <serjshaklein@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Melnikov <Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com> CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sms notification References: <41CC4891.5060909@mail.ru> <41CD678D.3070902@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <41CD678D.3070902@isode.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> yes, i saw it. but i didnt find sms notification methods even in sieve sources Alexey Melnikov wrote: > serj wrote: > >> does somebody use sms notification in sieve? > > > I think some implementations of the Notify Sieve extension > (http://www.oceana.com/ftp/drafts/draft-martin-sieve-notify-01.txt) > use SMS. > > > . > Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBPDDocf004071; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:13:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBPDDo0B004070; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:13:50 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBPDDn46004063 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 05:13:49 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com via TCP (internal) with ESMTPA; Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:13:57 +0000 Message-ID: <41CD678D.3070902@isode.com> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2004 13:13:49 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov <Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: serj <serjshaklein@mail.ru> CC: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: sms notification References: <41CC4891.5060909@mail.ru> In-Reply-To: <41CC4891.5060909@mail.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> serj wrote: > does somebody use sms notification in sieve? I think some implementations of the Notify Sieve extension (http://www.oceana.com/ftp/drafts/draft-martin-sieve-notify-01.txt) use SMS. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBOGnaQD094499; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBOGnanA094498; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:49:36 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mx1.mail.ru (mx1.mail.ru [194.67.23.121]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBOGnZLO094489 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 08:49:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from serjshaklein@mail.ru) Received: from [193.111.17.24] (port=58337 helo=[192.168.56.8]) by mx1.mail.ru with esmtp id 1ChsdF-000GdN-00 for ietf-mta-filters@imc.org; Fri, 24 Dec 2004 19:49:37 +0300 Message-ID: <41CC4891.5060909@mail.ru> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2004 18:49:21 +0200 From: serj <serjshaklein@mail.ru> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: sms notification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam: Not detected Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> does somebody use sms notification in sieve? Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBLC4dqB095452; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBLC4dj6095450; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:04:39 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBLC4cdY095437 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 04:04:39 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com) Received: from [192.168.0.6] ([62.3.217.253]) by rufus.isode.com via TCP (internal) with ESMTPA; Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:04:39 +0000 Message-ID: <41C8114F.3000400@isode.com> Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 12:04:31 +0000 From: Alexey Melnikov <Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Working Group Last Call on draft-ietf-sieve-variables-00.txt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> I would like to solicit your attention to the following draft: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sieve-variables-00.txt I've sent few editorial suggestions to the author, but I don't think they should delay the WGLC any further. The WGLC starts today. Due to winter holiday season it would last for 4 weeks, i.e. till January 18th. And I hope that Tim can submit 3028bis before that, so that the WG has time to check if there are any interactions between the two documents. Alexey Sieve WG co-chair. 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From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> To: Arnt Gulbrandsen <arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org, "Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee@inka.de> In-Reply-To: <O6opj1nJFVJ7mWIne94/vw.md5@[10.0.0.9]> References: <87r7lxeeil.wl@klee.inka.de> <1102753833.32658.128.camel@chico.njus.no> <O6opj1nJFVJ7mWIne94/vw.md5@[10.0.0.9]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 15:22:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1102774946.32658.135.camel@chico.njus.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-0.mozer.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iBBEMfQV014802 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On lør, 2004-12-11 at 13:07 +0100, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote: > Kjetil Torgrim Homme writes: > > not sure if that is in scope or not, but I don't think a proposal must > > be rejected on that basis. however, no other Sieve mechanism depends > > on anything but the message itself. > > Doesn't the spamfilter proposal pull in an open-ended set of other data > sources? the location of external data and how it should be used is hardcoded in the implementation, the script has no influence on this. that's my reading of the draft, anyway. to satisfy pedantry :-), s/depends on/references/ -- Kjetil T. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBBC9QwJ004981; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:09:26 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBBC9QQs004978; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:09:26 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from kalyani.oryx.com (kalyani.oryx.com [212.125.101.207]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iBBC9NfT004656 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 04:09:25 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no) Received: from penne.toroid.org (penne [192.168.139.1]) by kalyani.oryx.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90A8D1BDEBD; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:06:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.0.9] (unknown [10.0.0.9]) by penne.toroid.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21203E20C0; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:39:13 +0530 (IST) Message-Id: <O6opj1nJFVJ7mWIne94/vw.md5@[10.0.0.9]> Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 13:07:55 +0100 From: Arnt Gulbrandsen <arnt@gulbrandsen.priv.no> To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: Checking Status of Other Messages? Cc: "Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee@inka.de>, Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> References: <87r7lxeeil.wl@klee.inka.de> <1102753833.32658.128.camel@chico.njus.no> In-Reply-To: <1102753833.32658.128.camel@chico.njus.no> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Kjetil Torgrim Homme writes: > not sure if that is in scope or not, but I don't think a proposal must > be rejected on that basis. however, no other Sieve mechanism depends > on anything but the message itself. Doesn't the spamfilter proposal pull in an open-ended set of other data sources? Arnt Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBB8UwmG072607; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:30:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBB8Uw5Z072605; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:30:58 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBB8Uuwi072239 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 00:30:57 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kjetilho@ifi.uio.no) Received: from chico.njus.no (80.80-202-166.nextgentel.com [80.202.166.80]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE0A270E4; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:30:42 +0100 (MET) Received: from chico.njus.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBB8UaYc016083; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:30:36 +0100 Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBB8UYCm016081; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:30:35 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: chico.njus.no: kjetilho set sender to kjetilho@ifi.uio.no using -f Subject: Re: Checking Status of Other Messages? From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> To: "Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee@inka.de> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org In-Reply-To: <87r7lxeeil.wl@klee.inka.de> References: <87r7lxeeil.wl@klee.inka.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 09:30:33 +0100 Message-Id: <1102753833.32658.128.camel@chico.njus.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-0.mozer.2) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by above.proper.com id iBB8Uvwi072597 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On lør, 2004-12-11 at 03:48 +0100, Felix E. Klee wrote: > are there any Sieve extensions that allow retrieving information about other > messages on an IMAP server? If not, would such extensions be possible. not sure if that is in scope or not, but I don't think a proposal must be rejected on that basis. however, no other Sieve mechanism depends on anything but the message itself. > To be specific, I'd like to have an extension that allows me to check whether > any of the messages mentioned in the "References:"-header are flagged. that's not a very general feature, is it? one other obstacle is that Sieve has no method for iterating over the IDs in References. (In-Reply-To may be a better header to check.) -- Kjetil T. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBB2mp6q079789; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:48:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iBB2mpbF079788; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:48:51 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.inka.de (mail@quechua.inka.de [193.197.184.2]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iBB2mocV079317 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Fri, 10 Dec 2004 18:48:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from felix.klee@inka.de) Received: from ibm550.klee (puric.inka.de [193.197.184.17]) by mail.inka.de with esmtp id 1CcxJH-0005JG-00; Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:48:40 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 03:48:34 +0100 Message-ID: <87r7lxeeil.wl@klee.inka.de> From: "Felix E. Klee" <felix.klee@inka.de> To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Checking Status of Other Messages? User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.10.1 (Watching The Wheels) SEMI/1.14.5 (Awara-Onsen) FLIM/1.14.5 (Demachiyanagi) APEL/10.5 Emacs/21.3 (i486-slackware-linux-gnu) MULE/5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.5 - "Awara-Onsen") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Hi, are there any Sieve extensions that allow retrieving information about other messages on an IMAP server? If not, would such extensions be possible. To be specific, I'd like to have an extension that allows me to check whether any of the messages mentioned in the "References:"-header are flagged. Felix Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9Fe4RC057434; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:40:04 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB9Fe4q4057433; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:40:04 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9Fe3i1057407 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:40:03 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kjetilho@ifi.uio.no) Received: from chico.njus.no (80.80-202-166.nextgentel.com [80.202.166.80]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B363E7B17; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:39:53 +0100 (MET) Received: from chico.njus.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB9FdlJx006575; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:39:47 +0100 Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB9FdkAj006573; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 16:39:46 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: chico.njus.no: kjetilho set sender to kjetilho@ifi.uio.no using -f Subject: Re: possible? Convert inline PGP to MIME with sieve? From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> To: Denny Schierz <cuall@gmx.de> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org In-Reply-To: <1102591526.10125.15.camel@jesper> References: <1102591526.10125.15.camel@jesper> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:39:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1102606785.32658.68.camel@chico.njus.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-0.mozer.2) Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On 2004-12-09 at 12:25 +0100, Denny Schierz wrote: > we're using a cyrus-postfix-mysql-system and we want to convert the old > style pgp mails, into the new MIME "standard". Normal, its prossible via > procmail, but it takes so much power, so i asking, if it is possible to > do that with sieve. > > is it? Sieve can't modify messages at all. (there is an extension for adding or removing extra headers coming soon, that's it.) -- Kjetil T. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9FPXlA054106; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB9FPX75054105; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [209.55.107.55]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9FPWvn053832 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 07:25:32 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ned.freed@mrochek.com) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01LI69QTPY2O00005R@mauve.mrochek.com> for ietf-mta-filters@imc.org; Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:25:19 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 07:20:59 -0800 (PST) From: ned.freed@mrochek.com Subject: Re: possible? Convert inline PGP to MIME with sieve? In-reply-to: "Your message dated Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:25:26 +0100" <1102591526.10125.15.camel@jesper> To: Denny Schierz <cuall@gmx.de> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Message-id: <01LI6Q67KQDM00005R@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1102591526.10125.15.camel@jesper> Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> > we're using a cyrus-postfix-mysql-system and we want to convert the old > style pgp mails, into the new MIME "standard". Normal, its prossible via > procmail, but it takes so much power, so i asking, if it is possible to > do that with sieve. > is it? No. Simply put, this is not what sieve is for. Sieve is a mail filtering language; it provides various constructs to test various aspects of messages and various constructs to specify how a message should be handled. It does not provide mechanisms to modify message content. So, while you could in theory use sieve to test to see if a message was in the old pgp format (assuming the yet-to-be-standardized body extension was present), there's no way to perform the conversion you're after. That's going to require a special sort of conversion program. Ned Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9BPXli075502; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB9BPXru075501; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from s15144503.rootmaster.info (cst-systemhaus.de [217.160.72.167]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB9BPWhO075452 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 03:25:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from cuall@gmx.de) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by s15144503.rootmaster.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BEF7133 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:26:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from s15144503.rootmaster.info ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (s15144503 [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14465-09 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:26:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from lnxroute.cst-it.local (pD9E1C434.dip.t-dialin.net [217.225.196.52]) by s15144503.rootmaster.info (Postfix) with ESMTP id 281214D for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:26:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from schwarz.cst-it.local (unknown [192.168.100.158]) by lnxroute.cst-it.local (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CF1C17B8E for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 9 Dec 2004 12:29:47 +0100 (CET) Subject: possible? Convert inline PGP to MIME with sieve? From: Denny Schierz <cuall@gmx.de> To: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-ecDhQiqHR/LeJxtJER3K" Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 12:25:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1102591526.10125.15.camel@jesper> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at cst-it.de Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> --=-ecDhQiqHR/LeJxtJER3K Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi, we're using a cyrus-postfix-mysql-system and we want to convert the old style pgp mails, into the new MIME "standard". Normal, its prossible via procmail, but it takes so much power, so i asking, if it is possible to do that with sieve. is it? cu denny --=20 Denny Schierz <cuall@gmx.de> --=-ecDhQiqHR/LeJxtJER3K Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBBuDYmKlzhkqt9P+ARAiBqAKCCfGIFgV7V7aVS60BDSAEC82EVUACdFRnQ Qh3qud4o/Sa6JNMtJ3y7z2c= =iqIn -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-ecDhQiqHR/LeJxtJER3K-- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB6Aa6DU098006; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:36:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB6Aa6Zk098005; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:36:06 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from ppsw-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (ppsw-2.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.132]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB6AZuWp097707 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Mon, 6 Dec 2004 02:35:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from fanf2@hermes.cam.ac.uk) Received: from hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.8.51]:34430) by ppsw-2.csi.cam.ac.uk (smtp.hermes.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.152]:25) with esmtpa (EXTERNAL:fanf2) id 1CbGDg-0003KP-9d (Exim 4.44) (return-path <fanf2@hermes.cam.ac.uk>); Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:35:52 +0000 Received: from fanf2 (helo=localhost) by hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk (hermes.cam.ac.uk) with local-esmtp id 1CbGDg-0004y7-Uw (Exim 4.43) (return-path <fanf2@hermes.cam.ac.uk>); Mon, 06 Dec 2004 10:35:52 +0000 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 10:35:52 +0000 From: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> X-X-Sender: fanf2@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Tim Showalter <tjs@psaux.com> cc: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no>, Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: matching bounce messages In-Reply-To: <41B3D879.3010703@psaux.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0412061035260.27673@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411291809310.23492@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> <1102230708.31261.29.camel@chico.njus.no> <41B3D879.3010703@psaux.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Cam-ScannerInfo: http://www.cam.ac.uk/cs/email/scanner/ X-Cam-AntiVirus: No virus found X-Cam-SpamDetails: Not scanned Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Sun, 5 Dec 2004, Tim Showalter wrote: > > I suspect that the brackets are being treated as part of the path. > (I don't know what Cyrus does in this case.) No, it doesn't treat the brackets as part of the path, otherwise you would have to include them if the return path is not null, which is not the case. As expected, testing shows the following does not work: if envelope :is "from" "<>" Tony. -- f.a.n.finch <dot@dotat.at> http://dotat.at/ SOLE: WEST OR SOUTHWEST 3 OR 4 INCREASING 5 OR 6. FAIR. MODERATE OR GOOD. Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB63v1vE064828; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:57:01 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB63v102064827; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.apptran.com (adsl-64-164-137-105.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [64.164.137.105]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB63utd1064732 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:57:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tjs@psaux.com) Received: from [192.168.1.157] (linux5.apptran.com [192.168.1.157] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.apptran.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iB63ufl3025430; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 19:56:41 -0800 Message-ID: <41B3D879.3010703@psaux.com> Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 19:56:41 -0800 From: Tim Showalter <tjs@psaux.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (X11/20041103) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> CC: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at>, ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: matching bounce messages References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411291809310.23492@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> <1102230708.31261.29.camel@chico.njus.no> In-Reply-To: <1102230708.31261.29.camel@chico.njus.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: > ok, perhaps it should be a bit more careful in use of terminology and > say "reverse-path address" instead of "FROM address" (to remove all > doubt about what happens to extra parameters on MAIL FROM). it also > would be nice if it was explicit about what to do with the surrounding > brackets, even though formally, the brackets are not part of > reverse-path. I suspect that the brackets are being treated as part of the path. The spec should probably clarify that this is not the desired behavior, and the brackets are just decorative parts of the syntax. (I don't know what Cyrus does in this case.) Tim Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB57BtI7089986; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:11:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB57BsYi089985; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:11:55 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB57BrM9089843 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:11:54 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kjetilho@ifi.uio.no) Received: from chico.njus.no (80.80-202-166.nextgentel.com [80.202.166.80]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D82DD1DED; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:11:55 +0100 (MET) Received: from chico.njus.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB57BnOW021833; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:11:50 +0100 Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB57BmKm021831; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:11:48 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: chico.njus.no: kjetilho set sender to kjetilho@ifi.uio.no using -f Subject: Re: matching bounce messages From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> To: Tony Finch <dot@dotat.at> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411291809310.23492@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> References: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0411291809310.23492@hermes-1.csi.cam.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 08:11:48 +0100 Message-Id: <1102230708.31261.29.camel@chico.njus.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.1.0 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On man, 2004-11-29 at 18:19 +0000, Tony Finch wrote: > We're using the CMU Cyrus Sieve implementation. A few of our more advanced > users have asked how to identify bounce messages in a Sieve script. The > obvious doesn't work: > > if envelope :is "from" "" seems like a bug to me. > The best phrasing we have seen is > > if not envelope :contains "from" "@" > > which is a rather ugly circumlocution. RFC 3028 doesn't say anything about > null return paths, which is clearly an omission. As a result the Cyrus > behaviour is hard to classify as a bug. I don't see why RFC 3028 needs to mention that case explicitly. If one of the envelope-part strings is (case insensitive) "from", then matching occurs against the FROM address used in the SMTP MAIL command. ok, perhaps it should be a bit more careful in use of terminology and say "reverse-path address" instead of "FROM address" (to remove all doubt about what happens to extra parameters on MAIL FROM). it also would be nice if it was explicit about what to do with the surrounding brackets, even though formally, the brackets are not part of reverse-path. -- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB573chR077556; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:03:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB573cgb077553; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:03:38 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mail.broadpark.no (mail.broadpark.no [217.13.4.2]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB573bXx077318 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Sat, 4 Dec 2004 23:03:37 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kjetilho@ifi.uio.no) Received: from chico.njus.no (80.80-202-166.nextgentel.com [80.202.166.80]) by mail.broadpark.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78DE41D9F; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:03:32 +0100 (MET) Received: from chico.njus.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iB573PPI021819; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:03:26 +0100 Received: (from kjetilho@localhost) by chico.njus.no (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iB573OrZ021816; Sun, 5 Dec 2004 08:03:24 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: chico.njus.no: kjetilho set sender to kjetilho@ifi.uio.no using -f Subject: Re: I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-sieve-variables-00.txt From: Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho@ifi.uio.no> To: Alexey Melnikov <Alexey.Melnikov@isode.com> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org In-Reply-To: <41AC802B.70508@isode.com> References: <200411292017.PAA27180@ietf.org> <41AC802B.70508@isode.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2004 08:03:21 +0100 Message-Id: <1102230201.31261.22.camel@chico.njus.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.1.0 Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On tir, 2004-11-30 at 14:14 +0000, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > Few comments/questions after reviewing the document: > > 1). Is the first parameter of the STRING test (list of variable names) > has to be "expanded"? yes, it's a list of strings, not a list of variable names. test "a" "a" this doesn't reference any variables, and is always true. you can exploit this when using a variable as a set, ie. as an enumeration of properties, "blue important filed". test :matches " ${var} " "* filed *" the added spaces means "filed" will be found even if the property is the last to be listed. I'll add an example or two to the draft. > 2). ABNF (or RFC 3028 "Syntax:" line) for MODIFIER is missing. good catch. > Also, I have an editorial suggestion. Section 5. ("Action set") doesn't > mention modifiers at all, instead there is a subsection 5.1 for them (hmm, section 0 seems to have been renumbered to 1 in this draft, I'll revert that.) > I would suggest to add the following sentence to section 5: > > Modifiers are applied on a value before it is stored in the variable. > Modifier names are case insensitive. For more information see section 5.1 > > And drop the first 2 sentences at the top of 5.1. I'll give it a go :-) -- Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB2MWYLg066472; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:32:34 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB2MWYHk066471; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:32:34 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mv.mv.com (osmium.mv.net [199.125.85.152]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with SMTP id iB2MWT3G066235 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 14:32:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from mem@mv.mv.com) Received: (qmail 82297 invoked by uid 101); 2 Dec 2004 17:32:27 -0500 From: "Mark E. Mallett" <mem@mv.mv.com> Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 17:32:27 -0500 To: Matthew Elvey <matthew@elvey.com> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-02.txt; http://wiki.fastmail.fm/wiki/index.php/SieveExtensionsSupportMatrix Message-ID: <20041202223227.GK44106@osmium.mv.net> References: <41186140.2010708@elvey.com> <41AD2E97.70507@elvey.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41AD2E97.70507@elvey.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 09:38:15PM -0500, Matthew Elvey wrote: > In order to move forward since the discussion of this draft at the last BOF: > > I would like to gauge interest. Which SIEVE > implementations/implementors 'intend' to write code to support some > IETF-blessed extension in order to provide a "Reject before delivery > capability" (e.g. draft-elvey-refuse-sieve or a derivative)? > Currently, no implementations have this ability. > > Please indicate your interest! (e.g. Edit the wiki page mentioned below > (put an "i" in the right place) or reply to me and I'll make the edit for > you.) > > ('Intend' just indicates strong interest, it doesn't mean "Guarantee by x > date") I'm quite interested in the capability in SIEVE of indicating refusal at SMTP time. My own implementation is not capable of supporting that at present, since it's not integrated with any SMTP server in a way that would allow it, but that kind of integration is on the wish list.. As for the details, well, that's where the fun is :-) mm Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB1N2qSw013274; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB1N2qnC013273; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:02:52 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from out2.smtp.messagingengine.com (out2.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.26]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB1N2pTL013183 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:02:51 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from matthew@elvey.com) Received: from frontend2.messagingengine.com (frontend2.internal [10.202.2.151]) by frontend1.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C87C3D754 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:02:53 -0500 (EST) X-Sasl-enc: Fn5GHZHzt3CrXpEi8l4XXg 1101942172 Received: from [192.168.1.141] (ns.nextbus.com [64.164.28.194]) by frontend2.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70AF656F504; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 18:02:51 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <41AE4D9B.9000000@elvey.com> Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 18:02:51 -0500 From: Matthew Elvey <matthew@elvey.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Subject: Re: draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-02.txt; http://wiki.fastmail.fm/wiki/index.php/SieveExtensionsSupportMatrix References: <41186140.2010708@elvey.com> <41AD2E97.70507@elvey.com> <01LHVKM1P8M200005R@mauve.mrochek.com> In-Reply-To: <01LHVKM1P8M200005R@mauve.mrochek.com> X-Habeas-SWE-1: winter into spring X-Habeas-SWE-2: brightly anticipated X-Habeas-SWE-3: like Habeas SWE (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-4: Copyright 2002 Habeas (tm) X-Habeas-SWE-5: Sender Warranted Email (SWE) (tm). The sender of this X-Habeas-SWE-6: email in exchange for a license for this Habeas X-Habeas-SWE-7: warrant mark warrants that this is a Habeas Compliant X-Habeas-SWE-8: Message (HCM) and not spam. Please report use of this X-Habeas-SWE-9: mark in spam to <http://www.habeas.com/report/>. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> On 12/1/2004 10:43 AM, ned.freed@mrochek.com sent forth electrons to convey: > > >> In order to move forward since the discussion of this draft at the >> last BOF: > > >> I would like to gauge interest. Which SIEVE >> implementations/implementors 'intend' to write code to support some >> IETF-blessed extension in order to provide a "Reject before delivery >> capability" (e.g. draft-elvey-refuse-sieve or a derivative)? > > > We certainly plan to support whatever is standardized. Great. We = Sun.Innosoft? What Sieve implementations? > >> Currently, no implementations have this ability. > > > Actually, ours already does, abeit through the use of nonstandard > actions. I > have to say I find this capability to be quite valuable in practice. Cool. A pointer to or copy of docs of this feature would be nice to have. > >> Please indicate your interest! (e.g. Edit the wiki page mentioned >> below (put >> an "i" in the right place) or reply to me and I'll make the edit for >> you.) > > > I note in passing that the page you cite doesn't have columns for > either the > PMDF or the Sun sieve implementations. You seem to have missed the third column (which was the fourth column 'till today) > I certainly can provide information > about what Sun does or does not implement. Please do and I'll make the edits for you. (the table is hard to edit.) Also, do you get that the page is part of a wiki? http://wiki.fastmail.fm/wiki/index.php/WikiWikiWeb Please include links. I don't get whether PDMF is a Sun implementation or not; please explain when you email me. Sun owns innosoft, which made PDMF... Received: from above.proper.com (localhost.vpnc.org [127.0.0.1]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB1FlcCC023999; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:47:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9/Submit) id iB1FlbFK023998; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:47:37 -0800 (PST) X-Authentication-Warning: above.proper.com: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org using -f Received: from mauve.mrochek.com (mauve.mrochek.com [209.55.107.55]) by above.proper.com (8.12.11/8.12.9) with ESMTP id iB1FlW2m023902 for <ietf-mta-filters@imc.org>; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 07:47:33 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from ned.freed@mrochek.com) Received: from mauve.mrochek.com by mauve.mrochek.com (PMDF V6.1-1 #35243) id <01LHKCWTZQJ400005R@mauve.mrochek.com> for ietf-mta-filters@imc.org; Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:47:34 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 07:43:13 -0800 (PST) From: ned.freed@mrochek.com Subject: Re: draft-elvey-refuse-sieve-02.txt; http://wiki.fastmail.fm/wiki/index.php/SieveExtensionsSupportMatrix In-reply-to: "Your message dated Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:38:15 -0500" <41AD2E97.70507@elvey.com> To: Matthew Elvey <matthew@elvey.com> Cc: ietf-mta-filters@imc.org Message-id: <01LHVKM1P8M200005R@mauve.mrochek.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <41186140.2010708@elvey.com> <41AD2E97.70507@elvey.com> Sender: owner-ietf-mta-filters@mail.imc.org Precedence: bulk List-Archive: <http://www.imc.org/ietf-mta-filters/mail-archive/> List-ID: <ietf-mta-filters.imc.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:ietf-mta-filters-request@imc.org?body=unsubscribe> > In order to move forward since the discussion of this draft at the last BOF: > I would like to gauge interest. Which SIEVE > implementations/implementors 'intend' to write code to support some > IETF-blessed extension in order to provide a "Reject before delivery > capability" (e.g. draft-elvey-refuse-sieve or a derivative)? We certainly plan to support whatever is standardized. > Currently, no implementations have this ability. Actuaally, ours already does, abeit through the use of nonstandard actions. I have to say I find this capability to be quite valuable in practice. > Please indicate your interest! (e.g. Edit the wiki page mentioned below (put > an "i" in the right place) or reply to me and I'll make the edit for you.) I note in passing that the page you cite doesn't have columns for either the PMDF or the Sun sieve implementations. I certainly can provide information about what Sun does or does not implement. Ned
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