[Sigtran] MTP3b over M2UA?
"Brett Wallis" <wallis@nortelnetworks.com> Tue, 20 April 2004 15:02 UTC
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From: Brett Wallis <wallis@nortelnetworks.com>
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Subject: [Sigtran] MTP3b over M2UA?
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I'm new to this list, so perhaps this is a closed issue, but I was hoping to get some feedback... There are some current arguments amongst UMTS vendors as to whether M2UA was meant to support MTP3b. In our scenario, we have the UMTS Iu interface which supports MTP3b/SSCF-NNI/SSCOP/AAL5/ATM and we want to terminate this L2 (Q.2140) at the SG component of a MGW and backhaul this to the MGC via MTP3b/M2UA/SCTP (more on this below). So the argument is also whether termination of Q.2140 by the SG component of a MGW is also valid in the M2UA scenario. I-D http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sigtran-signalling-over-sctp- applic-09.txt <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sigtran-signalling-over-sctp -applic-09.txt> supports M2UA transport for MTP3b (section 4.2.1.1), but wording in RFC 3331 is being used against us. This is mainly b/c RFC 3331 mentions MTP3b only in a section on SCTP management. There is a reference to Q.2140, but that's all. Also, this I-D above has expired and I don't know what its current validity or future status is. An argument used against us is that the primitives b/w MTP3b and Q.2140 are different from the primitives between MTP3 and MTP2. I'm not even aware that MTP3-MTP2 interface primitives have been defined. From what I can gather, the only real difference between these two data link layers is that some of the optional procedures of MTP2 are not supported by Q.2140. Can anybody please provide opinions here? It seems this role is exactly what M2UA was created for, and I fail to see how Q.2140 on one side of the MGW would prevent M2UA from being used here. Below is the specific argument that I had previously made for our case: RFC3331 clearly references MTP3b, which is for broadband transport. RFC3331 as well as the other IETF document I referenced (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sigtran-signalling-over-sctp -applic-09.txt <http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-sigtran-signalling-over-sctp -applic-09.txt> ) clearly indicate that M2UA is applicable for MTP3b transport. RFC3331 even adds an informative reference to Q.2140 (B-ISDN ATM Adaptation Layer), which is exactly what is used on the Iu interface. If so, then it should be agreed that the following is a supported configuration for M2UA: <MTP3b user>/MTP3b/L2/L1 <---> SG component of MGW <---> <MTP3b user>/MTP3b/M2UA/SCTP/IP/L2/L1 The only remaining question is what are the allowed protocols for L2 on the left. RFC3331 makes frequent reference to "MTP layer 2" which I believe is a generic reference to the data link layer, and not specifically to narrowband MTP2 as defined by Q.70x. Even if they disagree with this position, they must be able to identify the allowed protocols for L2 since they have recognized that M2UA can carry MTP3b. MTP3b (Q.2210) is defined specifically to use the services of Q.2140, which is the exact L2 supported on Iu. So given that MTP3b/M2UA is perfectly allowed by the IETF, and MTP3b is defined to run on SSCF-NNI/SSCOP/AAL5/ATM, how can HW argue that this is not a supported configuration? L2 beneath MTP3b above must be Q.2140. What other L2 protocols does HW believe MTP3b can use on non-SIGTRAN interface? As Dan pointed out, SAAL-NNI could just have easily been named MTP2b since it is the MTP layer 2 protocol that is used with MTP3b. I would greatly appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Brett Wallis GSM/UMTS BICN Architecture phone: 972-684-7087 (ESN 444) email: wallis@nortelnetworks.com
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