[Simple] <note> in IMDN

Eric Burger <eburger@standardstrack.com> Tue, 13 May 2008 09:24 UTC

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Why do we have a <note> field in an IMDN?

It cannot be for correlation, as the sender MUST have a Message-ID.

It cannot be for letting the user what the message is, because we are  
talking about IMs here, not e-mails.

It cannot be for displaying status to the IM sender, because the IM  
Recipient UA has no idea what the locale of the sender is and will  
undoubtably use the wrong language and character set.

It could be used as a spam attack vector, but that would be silly of  
us to build in to a protocol.

Does ANYONE object to simply taking out the field?
Does ANYONE want the field to be present?

Please respond to the list ASAP, as this document is WAY overdue.
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