RE: [Sip] Re: issue with oubound and the used transport protocol

As an aside, the draft draft-fwmiller-ping-03 has expired.  While the draft
is still available at http://www.cornfed.com/ping.html and
http://www.cornfed.com/ping.txt, the question is whether it should be
resubmitted?  If there is no interest in it, I'll let it die on the IETF
site.

Thanks,
FM

-----Original Message-----
From: Francois Audet [mailto:audet@nortel.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 12:38 PM
To: Fredrik Thulin; sip@ietf.org; rohan@ekabal.com
Subject: RE: [Sip] Re: issue with oubound and the used transport protocol

Just to be clear what my opinion is...

I agree with you that using CRLF with TCP would
be a lot cleaner and easier to implement. It would really make
the UDP-with-STUN alternative a moot point.

That combined with people moving to TLS/TCP for security 
reasons in my opinion means that having focused our energies on
a solution optimized for UDP was a big mistake.

The consequence is the plethora of mechanisms that people are
using today: PING, OPTIONS, CRLF, REGISTER, etc.

But in my opinion, getting the document finalized should be the
ultimate priority.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fredrik Thulin [mailto:ft@it.su.se] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2006 10:21
> To: Audet, Francois (SC100:3055)
> Cc: sip@ietf.org; rohan@ekabal.com
> Subject: Re: [Sip] Re: issue with oubound and the used 
> transport protocol
> 
> Francois Audet wrote:
> > Didn't we agree way back NOT to use PING, CRLF, etc., and use STUN 
> > instead?
> > 
> > Why is this debate being re-opened?
> 
> Because it seems more and more (to me at least) that Outbound 
> with UDP will just suck.
> 
> If Outbound UA's have to get their act together and implement 
> TLS/TCP, then we can simplify Outbound even further by 
> skipping the whole STUN keepalive thing, and go with CRLF 
> over TLS/TCP.
> 
> I am very much in favor of cutting both UDP and STUN 
> keepalives out of Outbound. I think that would lead to faster 
> deployment, and also make the world a better place by 
> eliminating some SIP over UDP.
> 
> /Fredrik
> 
> PS. By the way, when people say CRLF keepalives, do you mean 
> CRLF sent only from the UA, or CRLF from UA to edge proxy 
> followed by CRLF in the reverse direction too?
> 
> 
> 

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