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Re: [sipcore] [stir] Adding categories from sipcore-callinfo-spam to draft-ietf-sipcore-callinfo-rcd-04

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From: "Holmes, David" <David.Holmes@t-mobile.com>
To: Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>, "stir@ietf.org" <stir@ietf.org>, SIPCORE <sipcore@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] [stir] Adding categories from sipcore-callinfo-spam to draft-ietf-sipcore-callinfo-rcd-04
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Hi Henning,

Interesting idea, but who could define the categories, and who would verify the claims?

There may be something here, but this is a good example of where we should agree the use cases and then define requirements before leaping to solutions.

BR/David Holmes/T-Mobile USA

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From: stir <stir-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Henning Schulzrinne <hgs@cs.columbia.edu>
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Subject: [stir] Adding categories from sipcore-callinfo-spam to draft-ietf-sipcore-callinfo-rcd-04

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In trying to get back to looking at my ancient, dusty draft, a thought: I think RCD would be significantly more useful if it contained standardized categories of callers, such as the one included in callinfo-spam. This allows much better user interfaces and automated handling ("send all political calls to voicemail", "play special ringtone for personal calls").

Henning

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