Re: [sipcore] Yet more comments on rfc4244bis-02

Ian Elz <ian_elz@yahoo.co.uk> Mon, 08 November 2010 18:16 UTC

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From: Ian Elz <ian_elz@yahoo.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] Yet more comments on rfc4244bis-02
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Hadriel,

Roland missed one other case in his reply.

If I divert a call I may want my identity to be private even if the original caller allows his identity to be presented; i.e. I don't want the final destination of the call to know the identity of the diverting party.

Ian Elz

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From: "Hadriel Kaplan" <HKaplan@acmepacket.com>
To: "Shida Schubert" <shida@ntt-at.com>
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Subject: Re: [sipcore] Yet more comments on rfc4244bis-02



On Nov 8, 2010, at 6:01 AM, Shida Schubert wrote:

> Privacy:none is used when caller (UAC) wants his/her identity delivered
> to the destination (callee) despite the existence of privacy service, but
> with regards to H-I, when does it ever contain the URI that identifies the
> caller (UAC) ?
> I agree that privacy:none will be valid if we can find a situation where
> URI of UA will be one of the hi-entry but my imagination is not strong
> enough to see this.

But that also begs the question of why we need a Privacy header of "history" to begin with. (I mean a real Privacy header in the message, not an embedded one in a particular HI URI)

The only case I could imagine for such things is that the caller doesn't want their domain known about.  I.e., I make an anonymous call from my SIP phone through my corporate SIP proxy, and my SIP phone sets "Privacy: history" so that Acme Packet's anonymization proxy removes "acmepacket.com" from any H-Is, before sending it out our SIP trunk, etc.

-hadriel