Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MIME
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Mon, 04 April 2016 15:07 UTC
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Subject: Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MIME
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Regarding item 2, we already have RFC 5084 that specifies the use of AES-CCM and AES-GCM with CMS. I have just posted an I-D that specifies the use of ChaCha20 with Poly1305 with CMS: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt Please read and review. Russ On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:58 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote: > I am hearing interest in these topics (a combination of things on this list and side conversations). > > (1) Specify the way to use authenticated encryption in S/MIME. Note that it is already done for CMS. > > (2) Specify conventions for AES-CCM, AES-GCM, and ChaCha20 with Poly1305 authenticated encryption algorithms. > > (3) Specify conventions for using Curve25519 and Curve448 for key agreement. > > (4) Specify conventions for using the CFRG chosen curves for elliptic curve digital signature. > > (5) Specify a way to use PGP public keys in addition to PKIX certificates. > > Anything else? > > Is this enough to re-charter the S/MIME WG? > > Russ
- [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MIME Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Miller, Timothy J.
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Lijun Liao
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Jim Schaad
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Sean Turner
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Wei Chuang
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Sean Turner
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Blake Ramsdell
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Wei Chuang
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Sean Leonard
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Wei Chuang
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Wei Chuang
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Sean Turner
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Jim Schaad
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Erik Andersen
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Wei Chuang
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Jim Schaad
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Tony Rutkowski
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley
- Re: [smime] Message takeover attacks against S/MI… Russ Housley