Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of Native IPv6 across NAT44 CPEs -Proposed 6a44 Specification
"Yiu L. Lee" <yiu_lee@cable.comcast.com> Fri, 08 October 2010 18:37 UTC
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From: "Yiu L. Lee" <yiu_lee@cable.comcast.com>
To: Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>, Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>
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Subject: Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of Native IPv6 across NAT44 CPEs -Proposed 6a44 Specification
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Hi Brian, I think this is all relative. I discussed internally about software download. Their answer to me is "BIG NO". Reason is SP must run QA tests for every possible OS/patches combination. Worst is we need to redo this again when a new patch/upgrade is released. This is far costly than you can imagine (way more than the $80 new CPE). In the end, I would vote for the dongle based over host based anytime. Is dongle more viable option than new CPE? I think this is the real debate. Cheers, Yiu On 10/7/10 6:47 PM, "Brian E Carpenter" <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > Ole, > >> I really liked the dongle idea by the way. > > I'm not convinced. If people are willing to buy such a thing, > and if you are correct about $80 IPv6-enabled CPEs, I think the > latter will win. > > So the real question for me is whether a $0 dollar download will beat > an $80 purchase. Predicting customer bahaviour is hard. > > IMHO, we can put both on the market and see what happens. > > Regards > Brian > > On 2010-10-08 08:28, Ole Troan wrote: >> Remi, >> >> [...] >> >>> ISPs that aren't concerned with what their customer would like to have will >>> eventually face competition. >> >> we are in complete agreement of the end goal. it is just how we get there... >> >>> A key point is that supporting 6a44 is very inexpensive compared to other >>> supports they have to envisage. >>> >>> Yet, as Yiu says, this still depends on which hosts will support 6a44. >>> My personal hope is that we will soon see trials, including with mobile >>> phones. >> >> issues I have with host tunneling: >> - how to communicate with native IPv6 nodes on the same network? >> - how to communicate to another 6a44 host on a different link in the same >> home? >> - do you need non-congruent topology multi-homing policy? >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-multihoming-without-nat66-01 >> how do you distribute that policy when you don't have a on-link router? >> - a general unease that now every host is supposed to have a "VPN" >> connection? >> how do I configure my own firewall and other network border policy? >> >> how much would a new CPE cost the customer? 80USD? that's only 5 pints of >> beer (if bought in Norway.) >> I really liked the dongle idea by the way. perhaps with a L2TP LAC. >> >> cheers, >> Ole
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Yiu L. Lee
- [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across NAT… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Olivier Vautrin
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Cameron Byrne
- Re: [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MT… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Ole Troan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- [Softwires] IPv6 VPNs configured over 1280 MTU tu… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Yiu L. Lee
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] ISP support of Native IPv6 across… Tina TSOU
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] ISP support of… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Rémi Després
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Washam Fan
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] 6a44 MTU issues Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [Softwires] [v4tov6transition] IPv6 VPNs conf… Templin, Fred L