Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs-framework-l2tpv2-05.txt
Bruno STEVANT <bruno.stevant@enst-bretagne.fr> Mon, 06 August 2007 13:46 UTC
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From: Bruno STEVANT <bruno.stevant@enst-bretagne.fr>
Subject: Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs-framework-l2tpv2-05.txt
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Florent, I am integrating your comments to the draft. See inline for other comments ... Le 25 juil. 07 à 21:11, Florent Parent a écrit : > 4.1. Softwire Transport Related > > FP> Should be title "L2TPv2 Security Related"? Also would probably > FP> make sense to put 4.2 "L2TPv2" before this section. > > RFC 3193 "Securing L2TP using IPsec" [RFC3193]. > > RFC 3948 "UDP Encapsulation of IPsec ESP Packets" [RFC3948]. > > * IPSec supports both IPv4 and IPv6 transports. OK > > 5.1. L2TPv2 Tunnel Setup > > ... > In the Softwire model, an L2TPv2 packet MUST be carried over UDP. > The underlying version of the IP protocol may be IPv4 or IPv6, > depending on the Softwires scenario. > > FP> In the case where UDP encapsulation of IPsec ESP packets [RFC3948] > FP> is used to protect L2TPv2, this 'MUST' becomes too strong: NAT > FP> traversal is achieved by IPSec. One idea proposed a while ago > FP> Francis D. was to allow optimization by carrying L2TPv2 over IP > FP> (proto 115), thus removing an extra UDP header. > > FP> Proposed change: "In the Softwire model, an L2TPv2 packet not > FP> protected by IPsec MUST be carried over UDP." ? > Many solutions are available to put L2TPv2 over IPsec: IKE or IKEv2 with tunnel or transport mode. The security framework allow to pick any solution, the only requirement is to have NAT-traversal (Section 3.5) I agree that UDP may not be required when using IPsec. But should we document somewhere how IPsec will encap the L2TPv2 softwire ? Or is current RFCs sufficient ? BTW, FD proposal was : IP/UDP/ESP/L2TPv2/PPP/IP ? > 5.2. PPP Connection > > 5.2.1. MTU > > The MTU of the PPP link SHOULD be the link MTU minus the size of the > IP, UDP, L2TPv2, and PPP headers together. On an IPv4 link with an > MTU equal to 1500 bytes, this could tipically mean a PPP MTU of 1460 > bytes. This may vary according to the size of the L2TP header, as > defined by the leading bits of the L2TP message header (see > [RFC2661]). Additionally, see [RFC4623] for a detailed > discussion of > fragmentation issues. > > FP> When IPsec is used, the PPP MTU will need to be smaller to avoid > FP> fragmentation at the outer IP layer. > > FP> "... this could typically mean a PPP MTU of 1460 bytes when IPsec > FP> is not used." ? Same as above: should we document MTU with the different IPsec solution or is there a pointer with sufficient explanation for that ? > 10. Security Considerations > > A detailed discussion of Softwires security is contained in > [I-D.ietf-softwire-security-requirements]. > > The L2TPv2 Softwires solution provides the following tools for > security: > > o IPsec [RFC3193] provides the highest level of security. > > FP> Since it was decided to use the new IPsec architecture and IKEv2, > FP> we should reference RFC4301 and 4306. RFC3193 is still relevant > FP> w.r.t. interaction of L2TPv2 and IPsec. > > o PPP CHAP [RFC1994] provides basic user authentication. > > o L2TP Tunnel Authentication [RFC2661] provides authentication at > tunnel setup. It may be used to limit DoS attacks by > authenticating the tunnel before L2TP session and PPP resources > are allocated. OK > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires -- Bruno STEVANT - ENST Bretagne _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
- [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs-fra… Internet-Drafts
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Florent Parent
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Bruno STEVANT
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Florent Parent
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Bruno STEVANT
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Florent Parent
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Bruno STEVANT
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Bruno STEVANT
- Re: [Softwires] I-D Action:draft-ietf-softwire-hs… Carlos Pignataro