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Re: [lamps] Magnus Westerlund's Block on charter-ietf-lamps-04-02: (with BLOCK)

Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> Thu, 05 December 2019 14:59 UTC

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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
To: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Magnus Westerlund's Block on charter-ietf-lamps-04-02: (with BLOCK)
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Hi Magnus!

Briefly.  We can talk in a few minutes during the telechat ...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Russ Housley
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 9:56 AM
> To: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
> Cc: LAMPS WG <spasm@ietf.org>; IESG <iesg@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: Magnus Westerlund's Block on charter-ietf-lamps-04-02: (with
> BLOCK)
> 
> 
> 
> > On Dec 5, 2019, at 9:48 AM, Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker
> <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
> >
> > Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for
> > charter-ietf-lamps-04-02: Block
> >
> > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
> > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut
> > this introductory paragraph, however.)
> >
> >
> >
> > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-lamps/
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > BLOCK:
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Regarding:
> >
> > The LAMPS WG may produce
> > clarifications where needed, but the LAMPS WG shall not adopt anything
> > beyond clarifications without rechartering.
> >
> > ... may produce clarifications ...
> >
> > I would argue that this allows for updates specifications that doesn't
> > change the scope of the specification. Some clarifications may result
> > in a actual change of a prior WG consensus decision. If that is what
> > is intended, then fine. But I would appreciate some clarification on
> > what type of work is actually expected here.
> 
> There is not intent to change previous consensus.  In Singapore, these were
> discussed as likely work:
> 
>   - draft-richardson-lamps-rfc7030est-clarify
>   - draft-turner-5480-ku-clarifications
>   - draft-housley-lamps-cms-update-alg-id-protect
> 
> I'm not sure how you want to constrain the charter beyond clarifications.

"May produce clarifications" is intended to capture small scope clarifications to work from the closed PKIX and S/MIME working group like Russ identified above..  Any new work or extensions would require a re-charter.

Roman

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