[lamps] FW: [EXTERNAL] New Version Notification for draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys-03.txt
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Subject: [lamps] FW: [EXTERNAL] New Version Notification for draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys-03.txt
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Hi LAMPS! The main feedback about composite that we took away from LAMPS 114 is that the WG would like our composite draft to provide an actual list of composite algorithms, rather than hand-waving about generic containers and defining your own. While we very much do not feel like the authority here for mandating algorithm choices, we have attempted to choose a variety of combinations to fit different use cases, hopefully without going too far overboard on the number of combinations. See keys-03 changelog below. *Question 1*: Is this the general direction that the WG is looking for from this draft? *Question 2*: Feedback on our selection of combinations? – Note usage guidance on each explicit composite combination is provided in Section 4, and PEM samples in Appendix B. (yes, the document is now a walloping 66 pages, with the PEM samples being 34 of those pages (and we only put in half of the samples so far!!) -- don't blame composite, blame Dilithium, and the combinatorial explosion of alg pairs ). *Question 3*: We have marked “generic composite” for prototyping; to be removed in final publication. Is this the will of the WG? At 114 we heard vocal support for removing it, but we want to give a change for people to voice support for leaving it in. Are there enduring (ie non-prototyping) usecases that benefit from generic composite? If we receive positive feedback on this approach at 115, then we will complete the remaining TODOs in composite-keys-03, and will make the same changes to the corresponding composite-sigs and composite-kems drafts. Changes in version -03 * Added the following explicit composite key types - Explicit Composite Signature Keys o id-Dilithium3-ECDSA-P256 o id-Dilithium3-RSA o id-Falcon512-ECDSA-P256 o id-Falcon512-Ed25519 o id-SPHINCSXXX-ECDSA-P256 o id-Dilithium5-Falcon1024-ECDSA-P521 o id-Dilithium5-Falcon1024-RSA - Explicit Composite KEM Keys o id-Kyber512-RSA o id-Kyber512-ECDH-P256 o id-Kyber512-x25519 * Added samples of (most of) the above explicit composites in appendices. * Marked generic composite for prototyping; to be removed in final publication. * Sycronized terminology with I-D.draft-driscoll-pqt-hybrid- terminology-01. * Removed the section "Implementation Considerations > Asymmetric Key Packages (CMS)" since private key formats are now fully covered in the body and examples. PS I can't wait to get to signature samples where a single PEM SPHICNS+ signature will be half the freaking document! --- Mike Ounsworth Software Security Architect, Entrust -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org> Sent: October 22, 2022 10:04 AM To: Jan Klaussner <jan.klaussner@d-trust.net>; Massimiliano Pala <director@openca.org>; Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth@entrust.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] New Version Notification for draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys-03.txt WARNING: This email originated outside of Entrust. DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you trust the sender and know the content is safe. ______________________________________________________________________ A new version of I-D, draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Mike Ounsworth and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys Revision: 03 Title: Composite Public and Private Keys For Use In Internet PKI Document date: 2022-10-22 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 66 URL: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys-03.txt__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dzHCwAGGM0LgPt_i2zPFQriI_OCRMdvJHmtbv07HVD1ubVXx6eccN_emkUwQ3ridYEmSmOlOwHs1Q4mkJwry-LqCh0ybFQ$ Status: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys/__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dzHCwAGGM0LgPt_i2zPFQriI_OCRMdvJHmtbv07HVD1ubVXx6eccN_emkUwQ3ridYEmSmOlOwHs1Q4mkJwry-LrdGPWb-w$ Htmlized: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dzHCwAGGM0LgPt_i2zPFQriI_OCRMdvJHmtbv07HVD1ubVXx6eccN_emkUwQ3ridYEmSmOlOwHs1Q4mkJwry-LrMH4dmLQ$ Diff: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ounsworth-pq-composite-keys-03__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!dzHCwAGGM0LgPt_i2zPFQriI_OCRMdvJHmtbv07HVD1ubVXx6eccN_emkUwQ3ridYEmSmOlOwHs1Q4mkJwry-Lqk-1lU-A$ Abstract: The migration to post-quantum cryptography is unique in the history of modern digital cryptography in that neither the old outgoing nor the new incoming algorithms are fully trusted to protect data for the required data lifetimes. The outgoing algorithms, such as RSA and elliptic curve, may fall to quantum cryptalanysis, while the incoming post-quantum algorithms face uncertainty about both the underlying mathematics as well as hardware and software implementations that have not had sufficient maturing time to rule out classical cryptanalytic attacks and implementation bugs. Cautious implementors may wish to layer cryptographic algorithms such that an attacker would need to break all of them in order to compromise the data being protected using either a Post-Quantum / Traditional Hybrid, Post-Quantum / Post-Quantum Hybrid, or combinations thereof. This document, and its companions, defines a specific instantiation of hybrid paradigm called "composite" where multiple cryptographic algorithms are combined to form a single key, signature, or key encapsulation mechanism (KEM) such that they can be treated as a single atomic object at the protocol level. This document defines the structures CompositePublicKey and CompositePrivateKey, which are sequences of the respective structure for each component algorithm. The generic composite variant is defined which allows arbitrary combinations of key types to be placed in the CompositePublicKey and CompositePrivateKey structures without needing the combination to be pre-registered or pre-agreed. The explicit variant is alxso defined which allows for a set of algorithm identifier OIDs to be registered together as an explicit composite algorithm and assigned an OID. This document is intended to be coupled with corresponding documents that define the structure and semantics of composite signatures and encryption, such as [I-D.ounsworth-pq-composite-sigs] and [I-D.ounsworth-pq-composite-kem]. The IETF Secretariat Any email and files/attachments transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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- [lamps] FW: [EXTERNAL] New Version Notification f… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Tadahiko Ito
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Michael Richardson
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: New Version Notificati… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: New Version Notificati… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Kampanakis, Panos
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Bas Westerbaan
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Markku-Juhani O. Saarinen
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: New Version Notificati… Mike Ounsworth
- Re: [lamps] New Version Notification for draft-ou… Bas Westerbaan
- Re: [lamps] [EXTERNAL] Re: New Version Notificati… Ilari Liusvaara
- [lamps] Composite signature with two PQC algorith… Seo Suchan