Re: [lamps] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates-20: (with DISCUSS)
Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> Tue, 31 May 2022 22:14 UTC
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Subject: Re: [lamps] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates-20: (with DISCUSS)
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Paul: The shepherd writeup points out this situation: When this update was started, the number of updates was expected to be smaller. It is recognized that complex update documents place a burden on implementers. So, when LAMPS WG tries to progress CMP to Internet Standard, a bis document will be produced to combine the base specification and the updates. Will simply deleting the first paragraph in the IANA Considerations resolve your concern about that update? Russ > On May 31, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Paul Wouters via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > Paul Wouters has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates-20: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/handling-ballot-positions/ > for more information about how to handle DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-lamps-cmp-updates/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > As a reviewer, and therefor I suspect also implementors, needing to read > current + old and then compare it to new is very confusing. If this is for a > few paragraphs I can see the point but throughout the entire long document? It > prevented me from doing a full review. > > The document also “updates” the IANA Considerations which is not a real process > we have. We only have new IANA Considerations and I don’t think we should tell > IANA to decode their instructions based on a diff with another rfc. > > Please tell me how this document would not be simply better if the diffing and > replacing is done for the reader by obsoleting the old documents and creating > one new clear readable document? If the WG could not do this, how can we expect > an implementer to do this ? > > This deliverable might have been good for the WG for tracking purposes but I > don’t think it works as an RFC for the intended target audience. > > > > >
- [lamps] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-lamps… Paul Wouters via Datatracker
- Re: [lamps] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-l… Russ Housley
- Re: [lamps] Paul Wouters' Discuss on draft-ietf-l… Brockhaus, Hendrik
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