[Stackevo] Draft minutes from notes and memory
Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch> Mon, 04 April 2016 19:58 UTC
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Greetings, all First draft minutes. There's probably a lot missing, wanted to get these out before the IETF melts my brain though. I'm not minuting the IOTSI over-layer-5 discussion as out of scope. Please send corrections, omissions, or requests to me this week. Thanks, cheers, Brian Stack Evolution Program Meeting Minutes ======================================= Monday 4 April 2016 - 12:30 UTC - 3 - IAB Breakout Room Attending --------- Brian Trammell (Lead) Ralph Droms Ted Hardie Joe Hildebrand Erik Nordmark Robert Sparks Dave Thaler Lee Howard Spencer Dawkins Aaron Falk Jana Iyengar Mirja Kuehlewind Eliot Lear Natasha Rooney Martin Stiemerling Gorry Fairhurst Michael Welzl Bob Briscoe (visiting) Following up on the IAB Program Review -------------------------------------- The program decided to accept the new program description posted to the mailing list in late March, pending final review by members who had not yet had a chance to do so. Brian Trammell will forward the text to Cindy Morgan later this week. Though the IoT Semantic Interoperability (IOTSI workshop started as a discussion within the Program, it was decided that the workshop, given its scope and program committee, was in reality an IAB workshop without program, and will not be added to the "workshops held" section of the description. The Program further decided, following a suggestion from the IAB review, that a virtual interim program meeting would be a good way to clock the program more quickly. Brian will send a Doodle this week to determine a good time for this virtual interim meeting, around the last week in May 2016. Guidelines for using Encapsulation ---------------------------------- Erik Nordmark and Gorry Fairhurst noted that UDP guidelines are done, GRE in UDP is in last call, and the various routing area documents are under review. For the most part, each use of (especially UDP) encapsulation here appears appropriate, so there is no obvious work item for the Program at this time. Erik will keep an eye on developments in this area. Stack interoperability for the Internet of Things ------------------------------------------------- The IOTSI workshop declared stack interoperability (layer 1-4) problems explicitly out of scope, so there were no outcomes of the workshop relevant to the program. The problem of different arrangements of protocols in the Internet protocol stack in the IoT space which are non-interoperable remains troubling, however. Ralph Droms will draft an initial problem statement for this problem with a few illustrative examples of the arrangements of protocols in which the problems arise. draft-iab-protocol-transitions ------------------------------ We need more case studies to illustrate transitions gone right and wrong. Brian has contributed one on ECN. The following people have been volunteered to write about the following transitions: - Mirja Kühlewind on MPTCP - Marc Blanchet on MIME - Lee Howard on IPv6 - Ted Hardie will find an appropriate author on DNSSEC Eliot Lear will solicit input on the document from ITAT workshop participants. ETSI Next Generation Protocols ISG ---------------------------------- Ted Hardie voiced concern that the ETSI Next Generation Protocols ISG is in danger of proposing a broken Internet architecture. New architecture based on virtual circuits, with the promise of improving manageability in carrier networks, pose a danger of "slouching toward catenetworking", i.e. further breaking the end-to-end Internet into a concatenation of paths using incompatible protocol stacks. The program discussed whether there is a work item to address this concern at this time. Jana Iyengar pointed out that (in the context of MaRNEW, where a subset of this problem was discussed) there was no evidence of any of the promised benefits of such architectures. He suggested that working to make transport protocols work better in managed radio networks without virtual-circuit-based management might reduce interest in such architectures. Ralph Droms will join the ISG on behalf of the Program and/or the IAB, to report on developments in the program. Natasha Rooney is also watching the program and will report back to the program. Statement on Explicit Cooperation and SPUD ------------------------------------------ draft-trammell-stackevo-explicit-coop has expired, and most of its interesting content has been pulled into draft-trammell-spud-req and draft-kuehlewind- spud-use-cases. The program discussed whether the core thesis of this draft ("explicit cooperation between endpoints and path devices is better than implicit cooperation") would be the basis of an IAB statement. Joe Hildebrand suggested such a thing would be premature, but volunteered to take the pen for a zeroeth draft of such a statement in order to see where more work needs to be done to justify the statement. Aaron Falk and Robert Sparks requested that progress on the SPUD drafts and prototype be more transparently reported to the program and the community. Brian took the action to announce the latest drafts to spud@ietf.org and stackevo-discuss@iab.org.
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