Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SBCs and other middle boxes?
"Rosen, Brian" <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> Fri, 07 June 2013 18:08 UTC
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Subject: Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SBCs and other middle boxes?
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Yes, I'm asking if we can avoid using alternative headers. I'll start a thread on call forward/follow-me. I think presence of most prefixes would be pretty easy to deal with. I would not expect to see the PBX prefixes (9-1-202-555-1212), because the downstream entities couldn't route if they were there. Can anyone else on the list find examples where prefixes may confuse a canonicalization routine on From/To? Brian On Jun 7, 2013, at 1:58 PM, Hadriel Kaplan <hkaplan@acmepacket.com> wrote: > > On Jun 7, 2013, at 1:20 PM, "Rosen, Brian" <Brian.Rosen@neustar.biz> wrote: > >> After reading it, I am unclear if a canonicalized e.164 would make it through. The reasons given seem to indicate they would. They change domains, they change prefixes, but they don't seem to change the actual telephone number. >> Can we come up with examples where a canonicalized e.164 would NOT pass end to end? > > Depends on how you mean this - do you mean can we avoid putting a canonical version into a separate header, and instead keep it in the From/To? > I don't know that we can really know the answer to that universally. > > There are some times when the From/To username numbers are changed for reasons other than what I had in that old draft. For example sometimes they're pre-pended with prefixes used for routing purposes, but the prefix is later removed before egressing the network. That probably wouldn't matter so long as it got inserted after the signer and removed before the verifier, or the signer/verifier were aware of it. Also the From number is sometimes replaced with a general company number, to hide the specific agent/attendant making a call; but that would hopefully happen before signing so it won't matter. Sometimes the To is changed due to call forwarding/hunting/selection to be the new destination number, despite the RFCs that say otherwise. > > -hadriel >
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SBCs a… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Bernard Aboba
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Barnes
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Michael Hammer
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Brian Rosen
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… philippe.fouquart
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… philippe.fouquart
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… philippe.fouquart
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… philippe.fouquart
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dwight, Timothy M (Tim)
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Barnes
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dan York
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Henning Schulzrinne
- [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach (was: Re: Can … Stephen Farrell
- [stir] selector naming (was - Re: DKIM-like key m… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach (was: Re: … Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Stephen Farrell
- [stir] Alternative wording for "legitimate spoofi… Dan York
- Re: [stir] selector naming (was - Re: DKIM-like k… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Dan York
- [stir] Feeble diagram (was - Re: DKIM-like key mg… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Feeble diagram (was - Re: DKIM-like ke… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach (was: Re: … Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Feeble diagram (was - Re: DKIM-like ke… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dan York
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach (was: Re: … Richard Shockey
- [stir] clarity (was: Re: DKIM-like key mgmt appro… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] clarity (was: Re: DKIM-like key mgmt a… Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Olle E. Johansson
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Michael Hammer
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [stir] clarity Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] Alternative wording for "legitimate sp… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] Feeble diagram (was - Re: DKIM-like ke… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] Feeble diagram (was - Re: DKIM-like ke… Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] Can canonical phone numbers survive SB… Hutton, Andrew
- Re: [stir] Feeble diagram (was - Re: DKIM-like ke… Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] clarity (was: Re: DKIM-like key mgmt a… Richard Shockey
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Dave Crocker
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Wilhelm Wimmreuter
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Wilhelm Wimmreuter
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Brian Rosen
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Wilhelm Wimmreuter
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Wilhelm Wimmreuter
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Rosen, Brian
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Wilhelm Wimmreuter
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach - MITM Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach - MITM Wilhelm Wimmreuter
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach - MITM Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach PFAUTZ, PENN L
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach - MITM Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach - MITM Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach - MITM Hadriel Kaplan
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Paul Kyzivat
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Peterson, Jon
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Stephen Farrell
- Re: [stir] DKIM-like key mgmt approach Richard Shockey