Re: [sunset4] Working group last call on draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf

David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu> Wed, 30 August 2017 20:59 UTC

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From: David Farmer <farmer@umn.edu>
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Subject: Re: [sunset4] Working group last call on draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf
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I'm fine with the contents of the document itself. However, it's listed as
Standards Track, as such maybe it should update RFC791. Otherwise, what is
the intended Standards Track progression we expect to see for for this
document, If we don't intend a progression would it be better as a BCP or
Informational status then?

I believe this is a first step in the formal depreciation of IPv4, as such
it is subtly changing the status of RFC791, and therefore it should update
RFC791. If we were deprecating IPv4 that would likely be an update to
RFC791 to change it's status to Historic.  The progression I expect, is at
some future date we either take additional steps toward the formal
deprecation of IPv4 or actually formally deprecate IPv4.

Lets be honest, one purpose of this document is as more of a press release
issued as an RFC. As such I think it's important for ISOC and others do
press releases based on this document. However, I think it can be more than
that if we treat it as more than that. Let's also use it as a catalyst to
change our behavior as the IETF, which I read as one of it purposes as
well. I think ensuring a metadata linkage with RFC791 could help this
change occur.

Thanks.

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca>
wrote:

> This is a working group last call on draft-ietf-sunset4-ipv6-ietf. Please
> send comments to the mailing list by sept 15th, 23h59 UTC. If you read the
> document and you agree but have no additional comments, please say so on
> the mailing list.
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> Marc&Wes, co-chairs.
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