Re: [Supa] Comments are appreciated: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt

"Jun Bi" <junbi@tsinghua.edu.cn> Tue, 19 July 2016 21:01 UTC

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 23:01:45 +0200
From: Jun Bi <junbi@tsinghua.edu.cn>
To: liushucheng <liushucheng@huawei.com>, Georgios Karagiannis <georgios.karagiannis@huawei.com>, "supa@ietf.org" <supa@ietf.org>
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Hi Will,

Good suggestion.
It seems that a appendix with relate work would be a good way.




Best Regards,

Jun Bi
 
From: Liushucheng (Will)
Date: 2016-07-19 18:01
To: Georgios Karagiannis; SUPA list
Subject: Re: [Supa] Comments are appreciated: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt
Thanks for the efforts. Like I expressed previously. I’ve read the document and I believe this work is meaningful to our readers after we finish our job here. 
 
There is a passage of the Avatamsaka Sutra: "The very beginning mind itself is the most accomplished mind of true enlightenment"
 
Sometimes we’re just go too deep about the detailed techniques, especially after years of discussions, while new comers need such a doc to understand the big picture and the goal to avoid getting lost.
 
 
Some comments:
You might want to add a summery section or add into appendix about the gap analysis we did (but in short form), otherwise after that draft expired, it’s not easy to let new comers know the background info.
 
Another thing might need to do is to check with DM and IM drafts to make sure that the terminology part aligned.
 
Cheers,
Will (Shucheng LIU)
 
From: Supa [mailto:supa-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Georgios Karagiannis
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 12:56 AM
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Subject: [Supa] Comments are appreciated: FW: New Version Notification for draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt
 
Dear all,
 
Please note that version 02 of the Internet draft: draft-bi-supa-problem-statement, has just been submitted. 
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt
 
This document replaces the Internet Drafts: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-karagiannis-supa-problem-statement-07.txt and https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-klyus-supa-value-proposition-00.txt. In particular, it incorporates  the SUPA Problem Statement, the Value of the SUPA Approach, and it provides a brief description of the Application of Generic Policy-based Management. The section Related Work available in draft-klyus-supa-value-proposition-00.txt has not been used in this document.
 
Your comments are very welcome.
 
Best regards,
Georgios
 
 
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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt
 
 
A new version of I-D, draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Georgios Karagiannis and posted to the IETF repository.
 
Name:       draft-bi-supa-problem-statement
Revision:   02
Title:            Problem Statement for Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA)
Document date:    2016-07-18
Group:            Individual Submission
Pages:            10
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bi-supa-problem-statement/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bi-supa-problem-statement-02
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Abstract:
   Simplified Use of Policy Abstractions (SUPA) defines a set of rules
   that define how services are designed, delivered, and operated
   within an operator's environment independent of any one particular
   service or networking device. SUPA expresses policy rules using a
   generic policy information model, which serves as a unifying
   influence to enable different data model implementations to be
   simultaneously developed.
 
 
                                                                                  
 
 
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