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Re: [T2TRG] QUIC on IoT boards

Василий Долматов <vdolmatov@gmail.com> Mon, 20 January 2020 14:10 UTC

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From: Василий Долматов <vdolmatov@gmail.com>
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Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2020 17:09:51 +0300
Cc: Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>, "lwip@ietf.org" <lwip@ietf.org>, "t2trg@irtf.org" <t2trg@irtf.org>
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Subject: Re: [T2TRG] QUIC on IoT boards
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> 20 янв. 2020 г., в 16:45, Eliot Lear (elear) <elear@cisco.com> написал(а):
> 
> Hi Lars,
> 
> A fundamental question to ask is whether which IoT uses QUIC is appropriate for and which ones it is not.  For example, obscuring port information on an industrial device – not to mention encrypting communications – might actually cause more harm than good if the result is an inability to audit industrial automation behavior.  As in: why did that signal turn green that caused two trains to collide?

absence of encryption can cause that sudden «green signal» be created by joking school pupils.

> 
> Be careful what you wish for.  You may not like the results.
> 
> Eliot
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