Re: [T2TRG] draft-sarikaya-t2trg-sbootstrapping-05 is really good

[Behcet Sarikaya <[e-mail]>]

Hi Michael,

Thanks for the review and nice words.
We noticed that for T2TRG you used wrong address and I now corrected it so
that the group can see your mail.
We are going to send a detailed reply soon, stay tuned.

Regards,
Behcet

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 2:38 PM Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>
wrote:

>
> B. Sarikaya, M. Sethi and D. Garcia-Carillo
> have done some very good work with
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-sarikaya-t2trg-sbootstrapping-05
>
> The intro section deals with "bootstrapping" vs "onboarding", and there is
> also the term "enrollment"...
>
> Section 3 does not mention BRSKI, and it probably should, but you mention
> it
> in section 4... not sure I understand why. I guess it is a managed method?
>
>
> "Opportunistic and leap-of-faith methods"
>
> I think that this category should be split up, and distinguish between
> methods that are Opportunistic (no memory, no implied trust), those which
> are LoF followed by Trust on First Use.
>
>       Additionally, various
>       online services such as Gmail and Facebook allow anyone to create
>       a new identity during the initial setup and later only verify the
>       continuity of the same identity.
>
> Not sure I understand this, maybe a reference would be worth it.
> Since I don't understand it, I don't know if it fits.
>
> section 4.1 lists a bunch of one-touch (1+) methods as managed,
> which I actually find puzzling.  I do not consider many of the methods
> listed
> as enrollment or onboarding methods.  (By the (a) defintion of
> Introduction)
> They are all (b) methods, yet you include BRSKI there.
>
> [I-D.ietf-netconf-zerotouch] is an RFC8366 based mechanism, similar to
> BRSKI,
> but using a different set of assumptions about communications, including
> none
> (USB key).
>
> 4.2: I'm told that Thread version n+1 uses BRSKI.
>
> DPP:    DPP (Device Provisioning Protocol) [dpp] is a 3 message
>    authentication protocol currently being standardized by the WiFi
>    Alliance for devices that rely on IEEE 802.11 link-layer for
>    communication.  The current DPP specification is only aimed at
>    networks that use WPA2-PSK (also known as WPA2-Home) for network
>    access authentication.
>
> I was unaware that it was limited WPA2-PSK networks. I don't think that is
> true. Maybe WPA2-PSK type networks are just the sweet spot where it makes
> most sense.
>
> Generally, I really like your section 1,2.
> Section 3 could use a bit of work.
>
> I don't think the survey in section 4 is worthwhile as is.
>
> What I'd like to see is a clear set of terminology (a la RFC7228) that we
> can
> subsequently use.  Some really clear clarification of what some terms mean.
> I don't care if due to clashes with other word uses, we "Property Red",
> "RFC89AB-bootstrapping"... (or use Caribean island names or whatever).
>
> We could stop at that point, and then let the various documents apply the
> terminology to themselves.
>    "According to RFC89AB terminology, BRSKI is has Property Red, and
>    should be categorized into the set of Jamaican-Zero-Touch protocols"
>
> I think that getting section 4 nailed down is not very useful in an IETF
> or IRTF specification.   It will take too long, and might cause arguments
> that can't be resolved, even in IETF publication time.
>
> Instead, write a survey article for a journal (the IETF Journal is always
> looking for stuff...) that applies your terminology to various protocols.
>
> --
> Michael Richardson <[e-mail]>, Sandelman Software Works
>  -= IPv6 IoT consulting =-
>
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