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From: Mirja Kuehlewind <mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com>
To: "Brian Trammell (IETF)" <ietf@trammell.ch>, Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk>, "taps@ietf.org" <taps@ietf.org>
CC: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Zaheduzzaman Sarker <zahed.sarker.ietf@gmail.com>, Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no>, "draft-ietf-taps-arch@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-taps-arch@ietf.org>, "taps-chairs@ietf.org" <taps-chairs@ietf.org>, "bevolz@gmail.com" <bevolz@gmail.com>, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com>, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
Thread-Topic: [Taps] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-taps-arch-18: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [Taps] Éric Vyncke's Discuss on draft-ietf-taps-arch-18: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Actually, after the IESG discussion, I think I like Gorry's proposal name the document "The Transport Service System". However, that might still not address all concerns raised also by other Ads about the status.

On 05.09.23, 13:34, "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com <mailto:evyncke@cisco.com>> wrote:


Top post replying ;-) and deleting the previous text.


The TAPS I-Ds are all very *neat* and I intend to change my ballot to YES after a discussion with the relevant ADs this Thursday. Authors are obviously welcome as observers during the telechat.


I like Brian's distinction between prescriptive and descriptive architecture, but if this I-D is assumed to be descriptive (as most 'architecture' documents at the IETF), then why is there BCP 14 uppercase normative language ? This is my only blocking (for now) issue, I would welcome a 'requirement' in the title/abstract or removing the BCP14/PS in an architecture I-D.


Regards and congratulations to all authors.


-éric

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