Re: [Taps] Charter change for security

"Aaron Falk" <aaron.falk@gmail.com> Wed, 03 January 2018 21:15 UTC

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From: Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com>
To: Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com>
Cc: Robert Moskowitz <rgm-ietf@htt-consult.com>, Brian Trammell <ietf@trammell.ch>, Kyle Rose <Krose@krose.org>, Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no>, taps@ietf.org, Chris Wood <cawood@apple.com>
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2018 16:15:09 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Taps] Charter change for security
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Thanks for the revision, Tommy.  The status is ‘no progress’ but 
(surprise!) in response to your note I will do something now. :)

—aaron

On 3 Jan 2018, at 16:13, Tommy Pauly wrote:

> Hi Aaron,
>
> We’ve just posted an update to the Transport Security protocol 
> survey 
> (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-taps-transport-security-01 
> <https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-taps-transport-security-01>), 
> and noted that the charter for TAPS is still waiting for the update to 
> the text as proposed by Kyle.
>
> Can you give an update on the status of this, and if we have the 
> request already sent to the ADs?
>
> Best,
> Tommy
>
>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 5:21 AM, Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is fine with me.  Brief pause for any objections before making 
>> the charter change request to the ADs…
>>
>> —aaron
>>
>>
>> On 18 Jul 2017, at 13:40, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>>> I just joined this list.
>>>
>>> I can work with this.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On 07/18/2017 01:36 PM, Tommy Pauly wrote:
>>>> Agreed. Thanks for the text proposal, Kyle!
>>>>
>>>> Tommy
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 12:15 PM, Brian Trammell (IETF) 
>>>>> <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> +1.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18 Jul 2017, at 12:02, Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree 100% - I think this proposal is exactly the right way to do 
>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2017, at 11:12 AM, Kyle Rose <Krose@krose.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proposal:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Strike the last paragraph of the charter ("TAPS is not 
>>>>>>> chartered to perform detailed analysis...").
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Change the third bullet right above it to read "Extension, 
>>>>>>> modification, or creation of transport or security protocols"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea being to permit analysis of the properties of security 
>>>>>>> protocols with respect to the requirements of TAPS systems, but 
>>>>>>> not to permit creation or customization of security protocols.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kyle
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