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Re: [Taps] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-taps-interface-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> Thu, 14 December 2023 14:14 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Taps] Lars Eggert's Discuss on draft-ietf-taps-interface-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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For the record, we’ve changed this to a MUST in the editor’s copy on GitHub. 

Tommy

On Dec 12, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Brian Trammell (IETF) <ietf@trammell.ch> wrote:



On 12 Dec 2023, at 19:12, Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> wrote:



On Dec 12, 2023, at 6:48 PM, Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> wrote:

Hi Lars,

Responses inline.


On Dec 12, 2023, at 3:38 AM, Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org> wrote:

Hi,

thanks for the replies. I'll trim my response to only those items where I still have questions.

On Nov 14, 2023, at 19:17, Tommy Pauly <tpauly=40apple.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
On Sep 7, 2023, at 3:59 AM, Lars Eggert via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
### Section 4.1, paragraph 8
```
   *  For IETF protocols, the name of a Protocol-specific Property
      SHOULD be specified in an IETF document published in the RFC
      Series.
```
For IETF protocols, i.e., protocols published on the IETF RFC stream,
those names must IMO be also specified in IETF-stream RFCs. I see no
reason to let other RFC streams make definitions for IETF protocols.

This now reads: "For IETF protocols, the name of a Protocol-specific Property SHOULD be specified in an IETF document published in the RFC Series after IETF review.”

why is this not a MUST, i.e., when would it be appropriate to not specify this in an IETF-stream RFC?

Yeah, I think this could be a MUST.

Brian, Michael, what do you think?

where we have closed this as “overtaken by events” - so I struggle to find the discussion that led to the specific sentence that was added. I believe we just left the SHOULD as it was, and fixed this to refer to "the RFC series after IETF review".

History and github issues aside, I completely agree, a MUST would make more sense here. Let’s do this.

Cheers,
Michael

I vaguely recall some discussion of this… but on review, +1 to this being a MUST.

Thanks, cheers,

Brian

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