Re: [Taps] New Version Notification for draft-fairhurst-taps-transports-usage-udp-03.txt

Aaron Falk <aaron.falk@gmail.com> Thu, 27 October 2016 19:53 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Taps] New Version Notification for draft-fairhurst-taps-transports-usage-udp-03.txt
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Seems to me like we have a consensus to make this a working group doc.  We’ll get this re-issued with a working group filename.

—aaron



> On Oct 13, 2016, at 1:38 AM, Michael Welzl <michawe@ifi.uio.no> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 10. okt. 2016, at 19.10, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu <mailto:touch@isi.edu>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Gorry (et al.),
>> 
>> On 10/10/2016 9:56 AM, gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk <mailto:gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> ...
>>> OK, so in the context of TAPS, the WG called for a list of UDP services.
>>> This is what is in the  ID. ...
>>> 
>>> This ID clearly isn't an API spec.
>>> 
>>> ...
>>> I don't personally know whether an API spec for UDP is useful or not, but
>>> suspect the list of services needed by UDP Apps is the thing the WG is
>>> presnetly looking for.
>> I have to admit I have no idea what you mean by "the list of services
>> needed by UDP Apps" if that doesn't basically start and end with the UDP
>> API.
> 
> It’s not an API spec but it does “basically start and end” with the API. It follows the same approach as
> draft-ietf-taps-transports-usage, which also very much “basically starts and ends” with the API, in how
> primitives are derived. Details on this relationship are maybe clearest in the appendix, where we describe
> how to contribute text  (in some future version, this should probably be renamed into “how this document was
> created”).
> 
>> Anything else needed by UDP apps isn't needed because they're UDP. And
>> having that list (of "things besides the UDP API") without a proper UDP
>> API wouldn't be very useful.
> 
> It certainly is the right input for anyone creating an API. E.g., it IS the input from which we derive our protocol-independent
> API in the NEAT project.
> 
> Cheers,
> Michael
> 
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