Re: [Taps] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-taps-minset-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com> Wed, 12 September 2018 23:23 UTC

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 18:22:44 -0500
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To: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>
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Subject: Re: [Taps] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-taps-minset-08: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi, Alissa,

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 2:22 PM Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

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> I was wondering about why this document is going for informational rather
> than
> proposed standard. I see that draft-ietf-taps-interface-01 has a normative
> reference to it, so this is effectively setting up a downref situation.
> That
> isn't necessarily a problem, but if the point is for this document to
> recommend
> an actual minimal set of transport services to be supported and exposed
> via the
> API specified in draft-ietf-taps-interface and other APIs, shouldn't that
> set
> be normative?
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Understood. I'll need to talk about this with the TAPS chairs, and that
won't happen before the telechat tomorrow morning, but I will talk with the
TAPS chairs, and you'll have an answer.

(So, "do we need to discuss that on this telechat?", "no, the Discuss is
clear and actionable". - just to save wear and tear on the Secretariat!)

Thanks,

Spencer


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> COMMENT:
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> It seems like this document will be in need of updating once QUIC is
> published.
> Is the plan to publish this now and then publish an update next year? Why
> is
> that preferable to waiting and just publishing once?
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