Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering
Lloyd Wood <l.wood@eim.surrey.ac.uk> Sun, 11 June 2000 01:59 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Craig Partridge wrote: > There's no RFC that says it. thank goodness. hurrah. etc. > However, Jon Bennett, Nick Shectman and I published a paper showing how > packet reordering really trashes TCP performance in IEEE/ACM Trans. on > Networking last year. imo this really indicates a problem with the state of the art of TCP's congestion algorithms; TCP deserves to be trashed, and fast recovery could be a lot more flexible here. (cf section IV C of that Dec. 1999 paper.) relevant work I don't think has been mentioned in this thread yet: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-allman-tcp-lossrec-00.txt draft-allman-tcp-lossrec-00.txt [Enhancing TCP's Loss Recovery Using Early Duplicate Acknowledgment Response, M. Allman, H. Balakrishnan, S. Floyd] This draft discusses selectively _lowering_ the fast recovery threshold under certain specific low-window conditions (and cites the paper Craig mentions above). AFAIK there are as yet no concrete implementation proposals for TCP to selectively _raise_ this threshold in the face of continual misordered delivery. (no doubt because that's a much less conservative and open-ended change that would require a lot more study of the dynamics under a wide range of conditions, and probably some experimental operational observation as well). Raising the TCP sender's 3-dupack threshold to increase its tolerance when experiencing packet/ack reordering won't restore the level of TCP goodput to that of a perfectly ordered flow, which is the maximum bound - but you can improve throughput and gradually approach that bound as you raise the threshold. (I've shown this in simulation for part of a submitted paper.) Work done within the network reordering a flow of in-transit packets is work wasted on not doing useful delivery. imo any packet network should be _encouraged_ to gratuitously misorder packets (especially if locally appropriate for delivery efficiency) without worrying about the endeffects - it's the easiest way to keep the equipment simple (cf the workconserving appendix to Bennett et al's paper). Having all the network work like hell to maintain the illusion that an ordered circuit-like flow can be maintained all the time is a Crime Against Nature. (Well, entropy.) Put reordering complexity in the receiver where it belongs. Once. Not in every implementation of every protocol in every switch. Improve TCP, and build *simpler* fast packet networks. L. read can this understand you perfectly the point you if. Yoda as does. <L.Wood@surrey.ac.uk>PGP<http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/>
- network device and tcp-flow packet ordering sankar ramamoorthi
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Alan Cox
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Craig Partridge
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Vernon Schryver
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Craig Partridge
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Lloyd Wood
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Eric A. Hall
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Eric A. Hall
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Sally Floyd
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Howard Berkey
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Luigi Rizzo
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Vern Paxson
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Luigi Rizzo
- RE: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Mika.Liljeberg
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Vern Paxson
- RE: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Mika.Liljeberg
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Lloyd Wood
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Greg Minshall
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Mark Allman
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Jamal Hadi Salim
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Sally Floyd
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Alan Cox
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Craig Partridge
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Fred Baker
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Craig Partridge
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Fred Baker
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Luigi Rizzo
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Luigi Rizzo
- Re: network device and tcp-flow packet ordering Howard Berkey
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- Re: ISA used in TCP/IP/UDP Joe Touch
- Re: ISA used in TCP/IP/UDP Patrick Klos
- Re: ISA used in TCP/IP/UDP Vernon Schryver
- Re: ISA used in TCP/IP/UDP Joe Touch
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